Are we overdiong it a little?

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  1. Echoax

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    I would like to add that you shouldn't defend yourself or the show with violence, unless you are forced to as I was years ago. Violence is one thing that a brony should stay clear of. If you encounter a hater, try to have an intelligent discussion with them about it, don't just throw insults back and forth.
     
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    Tchah! That makes it even worse then! I'm pathetic, that's what I am! Pathetic!! :cry:
     
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    Frank, what seems to be the problem?

    I don't see you as pathetic.
     
  4. Yetione

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    frankT, please stop overdoing things (again), you're not pathetic, you got carried away, and don't overreact to this. We still accept you and love you.


    on topic: one of main points if this topic is to to prevent us becoming targets of attack. I honestly doubt that anyone would attack someone for watching some show. but we better not push it. Seems like everything is turning around someone being attacked physically. Which all comes from attack on Sonic. I guarantee you, 99%, if Sonic have had Nyan-Nyan cat t-shirt that day, he would get attacked because there was a rainbow on it. If he had maybe Applejack t-shirt, he may not be attacked. So that all self defense talks like we're some kind of group that gets attacked on streets everyday, please, don't overdo things
     
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    i dont know if it was what happened to me, or if i made too much drama, or if you guys already had problems with other people, the fact is that it gone over our heads. I know that i made speachs that i was better than non bronies and things of that kind but i am not better than any person, i just got through somthing bad and got mad with everyone for it. I dont think i was attacked because of the pony in my shrt, its not a brony the problem, its some people that see what they want to see.

    We are Bronies becuase we like the show, sometimes just for watching you change the way you see something, or change some aspect of you, but theres no need to turn the bronies in a religion or a military group. Bronies are more friendly and care a little more but, in my oppinion, Yeti is right and we are overdoing it and have to think better before push it into someones throat, or otherwise we are going to become intolerant and close minded like some people aroud there.

    PS: sorry if in some moment i overreacted because what happened to me.
     
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    All I can say about this is, don't let others tell you what you like and don't like. I sure as heck wont.
     
  7. FrankT

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    I'm sorry. Right. Only - what has been said made me look back on all the violence I kicked up in the past over little things... probably runs in the family and all... but I made those incidents worse by lying about them! Isn't that disgraceful?! I covered up my tracks by calling my mother's bluff!
     
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    True I mean,
    I'm a great example. I may love it but think how I have to act when I DJ & around fans of my work? I can't very well go shoving that in there face plus I have booked all over inc the US & Canada where its bigger with equal fans & haters of it so I have to be extra careful not to upset people
     
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    I don't agree completely with yetione, but I agree fundamentally.

    We have a large mass of people who very vehemently like something that is generally considered unpopular/looked down upon. Group think WILL occur. We have to do our best to fight the idea of violence behind FiM and violent defenses. Non-violent defenses have to cut down too if we are to keep the loving and tolerant image, specifically trolling. Some of us just have to accept that others don't like the show.

    Now, what I'm not saying is that you shouldn't defend your opinions nor should you not be proud. The latter is where yeti and I have some discrepancies, but I'll get to that. If someone pushes you, either intellectually or immaturely, you should have every right to push back with your own opinion. This is, if executed without feeling (Rare these days and it saddens me) a debate. Debates are perfectly fine. This brings me to being proud about bronydom

    I think it's perfectly acceptible to shout loudly and proudly that you are a brony. I think that you SHOULD bring it up to your friends and you SHOULD defend what it has done for you, others, the community as a whole, and just how it is made. With the best of luck, people will be kind enough to listen or debate you on it. Poor luck results in them getting bothered or downright mad. That's where I say let them. Maybe don't push it on those people, but don't let the fact that those people exist stop you from spreading your love for this show.

    Just think what potential this show has to give to so many current non-viewers.

    That's my view on it, anyway. Just my two cents.
     
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    I would never condone violence for anything. I have been a pacifist most of my life. If you ever read my shyness story you would understand why and how I used to erupt in fits of rage. There is always danger in trying to show off anything that people might find unusual or weird. But I might just be lucky that I have never personally been physically attacked since I was in High School. So I can't really call myself brave since in my country attacks on people who are thought to be gay are incredibly rare here. I have been called a *squee!* before from random strangers and this was despite me wearing almost completely black. I don't know how people get that impression of me.

    I think my decision to use statistics and graphs in my presentation to show why I not abnormal for liking this show was the main reason it was successful and no one thought any less of me for it. People can't argue with cold hard facts.
     
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    Pretty much, well said.

    P.S: Love and Tolerance!
     
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    The Do's And Don'ts of Bronyism


    DO...
    Love and Tolerate Everyone, regardless of their opinion of you
    Respect others' opinions, whether it be of the show or otherwise
    Accept no as an answer
    Accept the fact that some ponies will not like MLP.
    Remain a closet brony if you like: There is no reason to come out if you're not comfortable.
    Be the better pony and ignore insults
    contact the proper authorities when threatened with a death threat
    ignore 4chan
    And most importantly...
    Treat Everypony Equally, whether they are your worst enemies, or your best friends.


    DON'T...
    Shove MLP down peoples' throats
    Ridicule someone because of their hatred towards bronies
    Bother everyone you see about Ponies
    Attack (Both Mentally, and Physically) based on hatred of ponies.
    Cut others down based on which pony they like
    Remain a Closet Brony
    Promote Terrorism
    Go to 4chan
    antagonize people based on their non-bronyism
    get involved in pony politics
    buy an excess amount of pony products
    Engage in Pony Combat with ANY individual pony
    Rant on why Pony A is better than Pony B
     
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    Above poster made a slight mistake.

    Attack (Both Mentally, and Physically) Those who hate ponies
    should be
    Attack (Both Mentally, and Physically) based on hatred of ponies.

    Because trolling is a art.
     
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    Sorry my fellow bronies if it seems like i was trying to be hostile about the situation, but i never, ever, ever, EVER.... EEVVEERR resort to violence for any manner. I didn't mean for it to be taken like i'm taking it to far, like willing to go fight every one i see that doesn't like the show. I'm not that kind of person, i'm the gentle natured type of person who just lets things go. I plan to wear my brony merchandise because i like the show, not to aggravate and cause problems.
     
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    I've had people tell me they hate me because I'm a brony. Its kind of sad. But then again, I could care less.

    As for all this, MyLittlePonyTales already said it; We're about Love and Tolerance. Lets keep it that way.
     
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    Dude, we all love you and accept you, but you gotta chill out. ^^"
     
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    ok now look at Saikyo's post please.
    Tell me honestly, what do you think (Silverpony) shouting out the street that you're brony will do? or talking about ponies to your friends all the time. only bad. that is the whole point if this topic.
    I'm not saying that you should be in closed, even so, I created one of "Why are bronies in closet?" topics.
    even so, I'm saying that bronies don't have to be ashamed for liking the show, and tell openly about it, but not all the time, and don't push it.
    let me give you an example: ok, now I'm vegetarian irl, how would you feel if regardless of your feelings towards vegetarians, I post something against meat in every second post I make, I keep rumbling about it all the time, and try to make you vegetarian? I think you would be quite annoyed, and you would like to see me banned for being pain in the tail.
    But if you asked me if I was vegetarian, and I said yes, and then you asked me why, that means that you're more interested, and then I'll tell you why i'm vegetarian and what I think are benefits. if you don't ask anything more, that most likely means that you're not interested in details.
    No doubt about it, if you get attacked for being brony you'll fight back. If you get attacked for your money, you'll fight back. If you get attacked because you're fan of wrong football team, you'll fight back. If you're attacked at all, you'll fight back, that's not nuclear science.
     
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    I must agree with Yetione on this one. I really am not comfortable with the idea that someone would go out and shout-out to the world, "I'M A BRONY!!!" Unless you meant that metaphorically. I don't think we should bring it up to friends. We could bring it up to friends, if we feel like mentioning it, or if they happen to ask us about it. We could defend it too, depending on the circumstances, and only with civilized conversation. No insults or violence. Let me elaborate on what I mean by "depending on the circumstances"; Let's say someone says, "I don't really understand how you can like this show." Then I see an opportunity to civilly defend your position, but don't feel as if your goal is to convert someone. Rather, it should only be to inform them. After an explanation, if the person chooses to check it out, fine. If not, that's fine too. At least you provided a counter-argument. Now, let's say someone says, "You're how old and you watch this show? That must mean you're a f*****!" Then just ignore it. That person obviously doesn't have the maturity or the necessary open-mindedness to listen to a counter-argument.

    As I said once before, it's okay to be proud to be a brony, but don't be so over-the-top with your pride that it just becomes annoying to others. That'll only damage the reputation of the fandom. Leave the rep-damaging to the media. They're good at that.

    I admire the enthusiasm that some members of the brony community have, but keep in mind that in the end it's just a TV show. It's not a religion, although a particular Facebook page would claim otherwise. We shouldn't have a crusade against haters. We're considered an Internet subculture, and as such, most people IRL probably aren't aware of us. So shoving something like this into someone's face would only lead to trouble.

    Oh, and one more thing. There is one thing I strongly disagree with on that "DON'T" list, and that's "[Don't] Remain a Closet Brony." I'm going to just repeat what I said last time. There is no problem with someone being a closet brony, if they choose to be. I'm one myself, and I just want others to respect the decision that us closet bronies are making, and please do not tell us not to be in the closet/stable/whatever else you may call it. We have our reasons for it. If I choose not to tell others that I'm a brony, that's my choice, and I expect this community to fully respect that.

    [video=youtube;urnUYQt-9bc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urnUYQt-9bc[/video]
     
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    Very true. Although, I doubt most people would have the "courage"/stupidity to say something like that in real life right to anyone's face, though. At least, no-one I've ever met. [size=-2]Then again I live in Canada and supposedly we're all super nice. Hahaha...no.[/size]

    Agreed about us not being a religion--I mean, I can see why someone would say that, but it just sounds silly when you actually THINK about it. As far as I'm aware, no other fandoms call themselves a religion, or are accused of being one. Also, I'm not even sure how a crusade against haters would even work, not to mention it probably wouldn't help us anyway.

    Good point. Heck, I'm on the internet a lot and it took me months to find out about this show and bronies, so...

    ^This. You don't have to be open about it if you don't want to.

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    Generally when people say shouting something to the streets they don't mean it literally. And I can tell you exactly what happens when you talk to your friends about bronies. They either convert or they dislike it. And then we move on. They accept that it's a part of my personality and are cool with that. Because they're real friends. If you're quiet about this discovery, however, then some people might miss out on being bronies. There's nothing wrong with staying quiet, but there's also nothing wrong with sharing your love for something with your friends and those who care about you.

    Also, your analogy, unfortunately, doesn't quite work because in it you are attacking an opposing ideal as opposed to supporting your own, which is what I am saying. If you went around attacking meat, I would be displeased and probably start a debate. If you went around and told me you were a vegetarian, I could learn about you and simply become a closer friend. I may disagree with being a vegetarian, but there's nothing wrong with you telling me you are one and how much vegetables are awesome. I support you in your endeavors because you're my friend :D

    I did mean it metaphorically. Actually shouting something to the streets would be a tad bit odd on top of something already odd. I suppose could is a better word to use, but I see no reason against doing so. I'm not suggesting we shove it down their throats; I'm suggesting we not stay quiet about this awesome discovery that we have made.

    You seem to think I'm inherently antagonistic or would become such based on your feeling that you need to provide an example. I assure that's not the case. My point was always to inform not convert. I said that at best they'd listen or debate you. Not convert, just listen to you!

    I'm only suggesting be open. Everypony should have the tact to know when they start annoying people.

    I would like to say that it is honestly much more than just a TV show at this point. Nothing is ever just "What it is." The impact something makes is what makes it significant. You are correct in saying that it isn't a religion, but to me it is much more than just a TV show and I know that's true to other bronies as well. That being said, I don't think we should crusade against haters either. I would actually like to see the trolling of haters stop. I think it gives the wrong message that bronies stand for, and it just bad publicity. BUT I think it's perfectly acceptable to, in conversation mention ponies.

    The last paragraph isn't directed at me, but I think it's up to the individual to tell others or not. That's their business, not mine. I lose no respect for anypony who isn't out of the stable.
     

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