Tulpa... No, Im not crazy.

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  1. Big Sims

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    What a tulpa is has two main parts, the first part is sentience, and the second part is hallucination/ projection.
    The sentience is basically a product of your unconscious mind; you create by fleshing out through personality work and narration. You're basically taking an already existing part of your mind, and defining it until it becomes what you experience as sentient. Now the tulpa is not actually its own sentient being, the tulpa is a product of your mind that you are experiencing as sentient. Really, there is no difference between the two, since the outcome for you is the same. That being said, by defining these personality attributes and talking to your own mind until it is able to talk back you're creating a false personality within your mind- one that is not a personification of your subconscious, but rather a being built on it.
    This sort of sentience entails: autonomous thinking, decision making skills, the tulpa having its own set of likes, dislikes, pleasures and emotions, the tulpa having different thoughts from you, and the like. The tulpa will be able to talk and function on its own. But note that because the tulpa is a being of your subconscious, they are always within your mind, and do not exist elsewhere. Even if they have a body that is merely a projection of a form that is being controlled by them from the mind. Really the form is NOT the construct, the sentience is. The body is not really for their benefit, it's mostly for yours.
    Note that you cannot have a proper tulpa without working on personality and narrating. You have to give time for sentience to develop, or else you'll end up with something known as a servitor: basically just a form with no sentience controlling it, a hologram. However, you can have a tulpa without a form; they are more optional.
    The next, part of what a tulpa is, is the form. Basically, you make a form of your choosing to allow the sentience to control, which you will experience as a separate being. Of course the tulpa will still exist within your mind, but, they will be controlling this form which further personifies them and allows you to interact with them in the real environment. You're making this form within your mind, working on it so intensely that you are able (after a grand amount of time) to impose them on your environment and have the tulpa be able to control the form.
    That's a basic explanation of what a tulpa is.
    Now I would like to debunk some myths regarding tulpae and innate mental illness. The first one I'm going to tackle is Dissociative Identity Disorder, formally known as Multiple Personality Disorder. This disorder is characterized by time gaps where the person doesn't know what happened, or where time has passed and the person has apparently done something and not remembered. The other major symptom also includes other ‘personalities' or consciousnesses taking over your body. The disorder is caused by traumatic events, usually in childhood.
    Here's why creating a tulpa is not DID. You can't manifest DID by belief and imposition. Alternate personalities are within your mind, not imposed on your surroundings in a vessel of sorts. Tulpae cannot take control of your body if you do not will it. Tulpae (even in a possession state, which is purely theoretical at the time of writing) would not cause you to black out while you're in control. An alternate personality depends on your body to have its own form. Note that you cannot have MPD and subsequently make it into a tulpa.
    Secondly, a tulpa is not schizophrenia. Some people like to call it self enforced schizophrenia but this in and of itself is an oxymoron. You can't give yourself schizophrenia. People ask about it on /x/ all the time, and are met with utter disgust. You can't give yourself a mental illness you're born with. That would involve drastically changing the chemical make up of your brain.
    You can apply this thinking to most mental illnesses people inquire about. A large chunk of insanity manifests in not knowing that you're insane. You realize that your tulpa is part of your mind, and you treat is as such. Insanity ensues when the lines between reality and fantasy blur. By looking at things from an explainable stand point you keep your perspective and see that the tulpa is just a vessel and representation of your subconscious and its interworking mechanisms.
    When you make a tulpa, some people are foggy or mislead about what you're actually doing to your mind. First, you begin the sensory excursion, and with repetition, you can imagine it perfectly. Nothing is so strange about making an image very familiar to your mind's eye. Then, you start talking to it. When you don't create responses for the tulpa, your mind actually begins to see the thing you're sending the messages to as another being. This is when it experiences itself subjectively.
    The part of your subconscious you have sectioned off then becomes to take a shape of its own, furthering the schism. Your tulpa is now sentient. After, when you begin to impose the tulpa, you're playing on the sensory details you've already been focusing on until this point. You were imagining them in your head before, now you're actually enforcing them on your senses.
    So, in short, that's a basic breakdown of what a tulpa is.
    (I took this off of tulpa.info, a tulpa creating resource/forum.
    So, with this, I am going to create a tulpa. I know many others who have made great progress, and no, its not insanity, its part of your mind, per say, but it interacts with all five senses. :ahh:
     
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    Think about it for a second, Wouldn't it be great to have a being that is part of your conscious to interact with?
     
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    So if I'm reading this right, a Tulpa is basically an entity created in your mind and, if developed enough, can have it's own thoughts, opinions and form that are different to your own? Sounds pretty cool.
     
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    Yes, and some people have even made pony tulpas. But it takes 130+ hours to achieve sentience.
     
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    I wish you luck in your venture, Danvid.
     
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    Im still debating on what my tulpas traits should be..
     
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    In a sense, you control your tulpa, so...
     
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    So basically what most good roleplayers do. Except permanent.

    Cool.

    PROTIP: MAKE YOUR TULPA CHUCK NORRIS. THEN YOU GET TO SEE THEM FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

    THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE.
     
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    Creating a tulpa is actually hard.
     
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    Mine would be a murderous psychopath.

    Can you kill them like you could a normal human?

    This defies science....OR DOES IT?!

    I've created "drone" whatever these things are called.They dont interact with anything but me and the ground. And they usually "flicker".(invisible for one second then visible again) I made one just now that was an all black humanoid that tried to kill me.(It couldnt do anything.It was a drone i made it try)
     
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    How does it defy science? They're not physically real. And you can't kill them like a human (since they're not real). If you did want to get rid of a tulpa, you'd have to forget about them completely (although this would be very hard since you've spent over 130 hours trying to ingrain this being into your mind).

    That's what I think anyway.
     
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    Im currently working on concentrating. I managed to keep a spinning triangle in my mind for a minute with no interference. Concentration is key for wonderlands.
     
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    This just sounds asinine. I've read about it in a few places.

    It sounds like having a imaginary friend.
     
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    That's basically what it is, but slightly more complex and "real". Children have incredibly strong imaginations which is why they can easily create an imaginary friend.
     
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    It can also talk to you without you parroting it, if it becomes sentient.
     
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    When i try imagining an object then projecting it on the environment.It "flickers".Sometimes you can see it .sometimes only parts of it.And sometimes not at all.
     
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    I'm calling it an imaginary friend. I never had an imaginary friend as a child and I don't need one now.

    I'm out

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