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  1. Ciphered

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    As you all know if you read my blog in the past 3 minutes, you'll know this.
    For the rest of you, I have some sad news.
    My uncle, Jean, shot himself today.
    He drove up to the hospice where they took care of his wife until she passed away in December, and fired the gun.
    Now I'm in a horrible mood and I have no idea how to cheer up.

    Maybe ponies are the answer?

    But seriously, I can't stand all this death in my family.
    First, my great grandmother passes away.
    Two weeks later, one of my uncles is murdered.
    Then, just before Christmas, my uncle's wife dies.
    And now, he shot himself.

    Why do people commit suicide so much? Is there a possible way to prevent suicide using nonlethal ways to hack into someone's brain?
     
  2. DanSze

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    Sadly, the only person that can help a person with any psychological issues is themselves. All we can do is push them in the right direction.

    Same goes for you, too.

    If you dwell on the sadness, you'll never cheer up. You gotta realize that the past is something we can't yet change. If you can't stop dwelling on the past, then here's what you can do.

    This is a bit of a thinking exercise, really. All you have to do is try to keep your mind blank. If you can't do it at first, keep trying. If you keep having the same thought repeatedly, then think about it. Why do you think this? Why can't you stop?

    As a result of above exercise, you can keep a clear head and think whatever it is you want, always.

    Also, remember. Whatever you do, you are alive. As a living person, you evolve each minute, each second. You are not the man you were mere moments ago. So any sadness in your past happened to a different you, and not to the you you are right now. That helps most of the time.
     
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    Before I say anything, I want to say how completely sorry I am to hear that. What an awful thing to go through, for you and your family.
    Unfortunately, there is no easy way around such an issue. How brilliant would it for there to be one simple piece of advice to follow, and everything would be instantly better? I wish there was, but there isn't. I wish there was something one of us could say to you to make you cheer up right away. But this feeling of sadness is inevitable, and it will last for a while.

    But don't think that it will last forever. Grieving is a difficult time, and can often seem like a never ending dark tunnel. But it's things like this that shape you as a person. Some people can enter a state of depression that lasts their entire lives. Howeve, this doesn't have to be you. If you can look back this, and move on, you'll cheer up, in time.

    I know this is difficult, but just remember these things.
    Don't feel like you have to go through this alone. We're all here for you, and we always will be. There are bound to be some bronies here who have gone through something similar. As I said, there's no easy way through a time like this, but it doesn't have to be a lonely time.

    You'll get there eventually. Try to focus on the happier times, rather than what just happened. Death can be a difficult subject to overcome, but it doesn't have to be an impossible one.

    As for suicide, there's literally no way of completely impossible. You can never completely grasp what's going through someone's head. However, you can be there for them. If someone's suicidial, then there must be a problem. Some people can't share their problems (I'm guilty of this. I just keep everything inside). You can't predict these things, but you can be there for people. Instead of trying to stop them from doing something radical, just don't give them a reason to.

    I'm sorry if none of this helps, but I assure you we're all here for you.

    Hope you manage to sort everything out, fellow brony.
     
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    I wish I could write out some long intelligent paragraphs like these guys, but I'm not the best with words. What I can say is that I am truly sorry for the recent events that have happened to you. You will feel horrid for a while, there's no doubt about that. But ad the others have said, remember your uncle for who he was. Never forgot the happier times. It's going to take a while, but you will get better, as long as you have a desire to get better. Surround yourself with the people you love and the things you love, like ponies, and know that we bronies are here for you. You'll get through this, much love to ya.
     
  5. Yetione

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    *hugs tightly*
    I'm sad to hear these, but thing is that it's part of life circle, and in such hard moments, you can still see around and see that you still have other members of your family and your frineds to stand aside you.
    as for now, try o think about it as less as possible. maybe you'll feel better.
    if you need more help, you can always contact me. *hugs tightly*
     
  6. Ciphered

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    Well, I know it's hard for me, but I'm known to be the person who rarely has emotional outbursts, and displays of emotion usually as well.
    Basically, it's hard, but it's not to the point where I'm bent over a chair crying and wiping my eyes with tissues.
    More like it just sends shivers down my spine.
    And if any of my friends tell suicide jokes I will rage at them. My rages are worse than you'd think. Trust me, I can break out into blind anger when I need to. I just usually don't need to.
     
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    That goes without saying, I find it unacceptable to take pleasure from another's pain. I've had that happen to me a few times. The end results were....complicated.
     
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    It is true that when sorrows come, they come in droves. I can't honestly say that I know what you're going through; grief hits everyone differently. All I can say is that you are not alone. If you need anyone, we'll be here. We always are.
     
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    This is a problem I know I have a problem with. Do not do this. When you fail to express your emotions it makes up for itself later in the form of a breakdown or an outburst.
    I know this from experience ._.
     
  10. Ciphered

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    Well, thank you all.
    And, Otirrob, what I meant was if I'm excited for something I don't feel excited, I feel bored. It's quite strange.
     
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    I hope you get well as fast as you can.

    Ok, my viewpoint on "Suicide":

    If there's one thing that is really dangerous to humans, it's Depression. People feel lonely and lost in these states of the mind. It is dangerous because the human being thinks about the easiest path to take to outrun it, and that is: suicide. A man who hasn't felt depression can't talk about it, i must say. I had an negative aspect on depression before falling in it a while ago (2 years). I thought the human brain could control it, but i was utterly wrong. I tell you, the best thing to do to avoid such events is this: Try to have as much happiness in life as possible, but not too much. Know what life is about, still don't go too deep into it. Know a balance.

    Because of the above I said: they fall in depression. And once a human being falls in it, it is hard to get out of it. We must work ourselves to prevent ourselves from falling in this state of the mind, because once you fall in it, you're almost done with your life. The thing is, they find no way to gain happiness back, to see the light in the dark hour of life we're right now in, especially when you're an adult. You watch at everything with full seriousness from this moment, and feel a burden in your heart without knowing what it is.

    All i can say is, do not focus on these events too much. I assure you, your Uncle died from sadness and depression. He couldn't stand the cruelness of life anymore. Is he the uncle that lost his wife? Maybe he was thinking about her the whole time, and decided the least painful way to reach her is to follow her into the realm of the un-living? I tell you, it is a heavy burden to carry. Just imagine it.

    I have an advice or two to you; Do not fall into depression. Yes, mourn, think and remember them, but do not go too deep into it. And do not even dare connect their death with your life - Do not find the cause of their death in you. Do not think about suicide. If it's a rough time you're going through, be water - Water, wherever and whenever you fill it in, it becomes the thing you fill it in. You fill water in the pot, it becomes the pot. You fill it in a cup, it becomes the cup. IF hard times come, be hard yourself. Do not let the river of time come too hard on you, be prepared to withstand it. Do not hesitate to cheer up the people around you, because, happiness is the best weapon against depression. And if you're religious, then religion is the best weapon against them. I know in my case it was.

    Again, i say I hope you get well as fast as you can.
     
  12. Ciphered

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    I read through your whole post even though it's almost 11 PM where I am.
    Jaret, yes, he's the uncle that lost his wife.

    The only issue is my religious position as a Christian, our pastor preached to us that suicide only sends you to the opposite of Heaven (Not sure if I'm allowed to say that word here). So that's been bugging me.
     
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    Well, I am a Mormon. We believe that Hell is a state of mind; if one dies with sins they have not repented of, when they meet Heavenly Father they will be so embarrassed they will literally feel like they're on fire. Suicide is a sin because it throws away the life given by Heavenly Father. However, having mental problems myself, I understand. It's worse than most people think it is. You can't just go to therapy and get cured; it's not that easy. You can't even truly explain to someone what it's like.
     
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    I'm very sorry about all the recent deaths your family has faced...that's almost to much hardship for one person to take. Having no experience with suicide I'm sorry to say I can't relate. All I can do is be there with a hug and open ears. If you need someone to talk to about it I'm really good at listening.
     
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    Ciphered, religiously I am muslim, so I don't really understand it. But it has always been (in my religion) that you pray for the souls of the fallen to be accepted by God into his realm (heaven). I think even suicide can be forgiven if the people you left on Earth pray strongly enough for your soul. God is merciful, he'll not leave his followers behind.
    And now that I know you're christian, the biggest advice i can give to you is this: hold onto tight to religion. It is, indeed, the best way to balance your soul out. You feel a special "joy" in your heart while you pray, for instance... Pray as much as possible. Do not consider this as only a "taken soul" or "loss". Consider it more or less as a warning: save your family, and yourself, with religion. You, among other religious people, should know what importance religion has for us.
     
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    I don't think it's a "warning" at all. Without death there would be so much life on the planet everything would be piled on top of each other and have to walk on each other, swim through each other, etc.,. I do agree that religion is important.
     
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    "Warning" as in a "Wake-up call". That's how i meant it. Warning as in, do not go his way. Wake up, be religious. And I did not say it's a warning, I just said "consider it as a warning." It most likely is not a warning at all.
     
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    What benevolent and loving God would deny one happiness for falling victim to sorrow? I'm sure he had his reasons, and regardless what some ancient book says if there truly is a purely good deity out there they'd be more understand then that.
     
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    I like to do things from time to time, (Even now, years later) to honor the memory of each person I remember fondly. Spirituality aside, taking a moment to do something like that always takes me back, and helps me recapture a bit of the past, to cherish again. It's just a little something that always helps me when I'm troubled over something like that.

    Don't know if it's important based on the topic, but it seemed to be.
     
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    If you'd do that, i could check them out whenever i got time :)
     

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