The Gay Thread

I find it interesting and have thought about this as well, since I have been/am in an extremely similar situation.
I've actually been thinking about how I would go about raising a child with my dislike of gender roles and the like, even though I have zero intention of actually having a child

 

Ah, that makes sense. To celebrate, here, have Sir Ian at pride:

Yeah, that does seem strange. But then, a lot of the gender norms seem completely arbitrary to me. Like the presence of boobs bothering people in the context of wrestling. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there dude nipples everywhere?
Luckily I only have one close family member that is obnoxious to listen to when it comes to gayety and gender, but I can't stand him anyway, so it's not like he's losing any more points with me.

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This is a fun one. A friend of mine "let" her daughter dress up as a muscular spiderman for fastelavn (which is very similar to halloween). Some of the other kids' mothers got pissed, though I guess the general consensus in Denmark is that girls can be boyish if they so please.
Boys in dresses on the other hand... I guess more people are still iffy on that.

 

THANK YOU! I have tried telling that to my dad multiple times, and he won't buy it.

 

My dad doesn't know im bi .

 

While I'm not against gays at all, I still think the parades are stupid. What's the point really? All it does it make you stand out more, and in my opinion, in the wrong way.

 

That probably depends a lot on the parade in question. In many places, it's partly a protest for equality (marriage-wise, etc.). As I see it, pride is a celebration of all identities.
Also, drag shows and rainbows. I'm sorry, but I can't resist the fab. It's all in good fun.

 

Look up the Stonewall riots and you'll know why.

 

Hmm..Now I understand a little more, but I still think it's stupid altogether. I really don't know how someone's sexual orientation could bother others to that extent. I've argued in the past about it before(Clop) and though my opinions changed over time, it never once crossed my mind to physically assault those who liked it. Society sucks.

Let me just add that I do have some understanding now. I guess what I'm thinking is that the gay community shouldn't HAVE to fight back, but it's necessary because of this stupid sex war that others started.

 

Yeah, it's really unfortunate. Some people just take it silently, others work in politics to help, others go to parades, everyone just wants to help out.

I'd never go to a Pride Parade, but I don't mind those that do. The one thing I hate, though, are gays who think they deserve special benefits.

I'm a 5 on the Kinsey scale (Or whatever it is) and I think I don't deserve special treatment just because I'm gay. I want to be treated like any other person.

Unfortunately people think they're entitled to things just because they had a difficult time in the past. It's part of that mentality that causes a lot of issues when there shouldn't be any.

 

I was going to say something about the parades comment but I see it already worked itself out;

To further drive home the point though, most minorities don't do things for no reason. Even if most people aren't terrible, it only takes one person to ruin someone elses life and our fight is against those sad and confused individuals. There is a tendency to be totally open to others, or "color blind" or other such things affirming individual support or at least tolerance of some group - which yes is great, and I would love if we lived in a world where 100% of people were that way, but until that is the case it can sometimes be harmful in that it pretends that civil rights have already been won when they haven't even started yet.

 

I don't buy this.

Leviticus chapter 18 explicitly talks about unlawful sexual relations, and Leviticus 18:22 isn't an exception to the topic.
Also, Leviticus 20:10-21 just about repeats Leviticus 18, with the addition of rather harsh punishments, such as death.
On top of that, a New Testament passage, Romans 1:24-27, talks about homosexuality. Romans 1:27 says "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for the their perversion" (NIV).
I suggest reading all of Romans 1:24-27 for some context.

Of course, some of the meaning is lost in the translation, as with any book, but it would be hard for the translators to do a bad job at this.
Also, there is room for subject of interpretation, but I don't think there's too much.

 

Sorry, but I don't think a book should dictate human rights.

I remember saying something earlier about Christianity (But not christians themselves).

It was something along the lines of 'What do we call people who blindly follow a faith or religion and would follow it to the exact letter?

Terrorists.'

Because that's exactly what the Taliban or Al Qaeda is doing.

I'm sure if people actually did half the stuff the Bible told us to do, Christianity would be considered a barbaric religion in the first place. It's part of the reason I'm agnostic.

It just seems ridiculous that I should have to burn my mother alive for wearing two clothes of different fabrics or something like that.

Keep in mind I have nothing against religion or religious people. I just find it a bit odd that people don't look at what's being said and going 'Hm... Uh... okay that's a bit extreme...'

 

so this is just me but seriously, if you think about it. Right now there is a 2,000 year old book that is telling people they can't get married or that's what they like to say so let's run with it. I mean really, it's a book that has no real proof of being anything then a bunch of stories that someone made up. It's like the first fan fic and the OCs are OP and bad.

Like does anyone ever see that and just think how dumb it sounds. Gays are told they will burn in hell and that they are dooming the nation, well if you are WBC that is. Anyway a person that is into the same gender, like what the hell does it affect. Republicans should be happy, gays can't get abortions and if it's 2 men that means the man is the money maker. I hear they get upset about women making the money in the household. So that's 2 bonus for them and there are probably more. Oh, gays could adopt, that would get kids out of orphanages which would mean less money spent on that. I'm sure republicans would like that.

This is why the cool alien races won't visit, this is why I will never have an alien friend.

 

^ Very much that! (eps. the alien part)
I couldn't care less what the bible says. It shouldn't matter when discussing human rights.

 

But, it's because of the Bible, that it's a human rights issue. If not for the "BURNING IN HELL 'CAUSE YOU'RE GAY" part, this issue would be resolved.

 

Following Christian teachings, you're going to heaven regardless of what you were in your life as long as you accept Jesus.

Being a mass murderer, gay, or whatever, you're in there as long as you've got it good with G O D.

 

Not to sound corny, but any god that doesn't want people to follow their hearts is no god I would want to follow.

 

While, as the partner of an early american historian, I might be tempted to point out a few issues with the reasons of "pilgrims", I wholeheartedly agree with your main point:

We can debate the teachings of jesus, his followers, and the larger jewish tradition in schools or churches but that discussion and it's outcomes are completely irrelevant to our civil rights in the public sphere. Specifically, rights delegated by the government, to all citizens, for official business purposes, and having nothing to do with church or religion.