I need help prosessing some information....

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  1. Banished2themoon1000

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    Because I don't want to offend anyone this is written in two sections

    I'm a skeptical person. I don't belive in god, but I also don't disbelive. And I'm having trouble with the concept of how life exists. I've heard of the big bang theory, and well I don't completly understand it, I get that two things collided and formed the universe/earth/our solar system/whatever. But I don't see how life came into the process. I simply dont understand life. How was it started? I also don't undeestand death. Do you simply disapear into nothingness? Do you live another life? And more than anything if you think about it, everhthing is impossible. Something created something. I get that. But something also had to create the something that created something. And something had to create that something. And so on. Everything would be a result of the first thing(s) that existed, but its impossible for the first thing(s) to exist because something had to of created that... and yet here we are... There's more but I'm tired of typing. Thats just a brief glimps of my mind. Please tell me you perspective on this!

    First off, I'm not trying to say your wrong. I also don't strongly belive god doesn't exist. I'm just looking for facts and trying to figure everything out. I am deeply sorry if this offends you in any way, but I'll try to make sure it doesn't.

    Ok so here's my thing. You guys think god created everything? Ok, let's say he did. But what created god? Maybe his father did. I don't know. Think back to the first god/titan/whatever from your religion. What created him? What created the thing that created him? I'm not argueing against religion. If you look at the nonreligiojs section you'll see my arguements also defy science.I truely want to know your perspective of this.

    This is no way a religious flame war. It is everybodys unique perspective of the universe. If someones religion causes them to have a different opinion, then leave it. They could be rigjt for all you know!

    I'm just really curious and these questions have been bugging me for ages :sigh:

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    Anyone? Id like some opinions ...
     
  2. Nights☆

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    Answers in a spoiler as I don't want to start a war either.

    That's a really good question. The only answer I have for you is that it was more than likely already there. Having been there for ... well ... forever. Then after so long, BOOM! Scattered fragments of rock and whatnot.

    I can answer the people bit. We started out, well life started out as germs. Bacteria. Something that rode on the back of an asteroid that happened to crash into this planet. It grew and grew until it took shape, evolved, adapted.

    To be honest there is no real answer. No one knows for sure about anything. It's just a matter of belief. The meaning of life, to me, is experience. To just do what you can.
     
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    You want the truth about life?
    There are only two facts that you need to know.

    1. Everything is real.
    2. Nothing is real.
     
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    Welp. After having followed highschool-level biology for six years, I guess I can now vaguely see how, under certain circumstances, rocks might start moving about and reproducing.

    But I don't think that what we call 'life' is any different from what we call 'lifeless matter'. It's just rocks moving about. Sounds depressing? Bear with me.

    To me, a more interesting question to me is: 'Wtf is consciousness, aka rocks like us being aware of their own existence?'

    Don't get me wrong, I am convinced that consciousness is something that came to be systematically through evolution. But that does not make it any less weird.

    If we look at the universe (and whatever is beyond it) as one great system, we see that everything exists in relation to everything else. There are no seperate things, there is really only this one big 'thing'.

    Then if we look at the universe as a living organism, we see that this organism seems capable of having certain bits of itself aquire consciousness.

    This makes an aweful lot of sense to me, because what is the point of existing if you can never be aware of it?

    We humans have an ego, which means that we are convinced that we are something seperate from everything else. But in reality,

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    But that's like, my opinion.
     
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    Exactly...
     
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    I'm not sure what the question is that I'm supposed to answer, I guess it was the where did we come from one and the god creation one. Now I don't believe anyone will ever be able to claim they know the true as to where everything came from. I can list tons of theories people have, like the one that the universe is in an expanding state right now and at some point it will start to collapse back in it's self and when that universe finally collapses into one infinitely dense point it will explode out again thus restating the whole thing. Of course that still doesn't answer where the first one came from or how long the process could continue. There was another theory about how when stars collapse and become black holes they are becoming a universe inside of the universe. It would be like the big bang but not like anyone would be able to really test this or anything. It still doesn't answer where it all started. Anyway, no one can ever answer that question unless they were to of course make their own universe somehow.

    As for the second one about gods or whatever, I guess the same would apply if any deity existed. No one would know how they came to be or what made them. But from the easy to see human side of things, humans constructed gods for control and to give an explanation to things they didn't understand.

    I dunno if I answered the questions at all.

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    I don't think anyone will really ever 100% undeniably find out the origins of all that is existing. Scientifically we kinda know where the important stuff started happening, but there is not much to go on what was before the point of inception, what caused or what even actually occurred during. Your question of not understanding how life started is exactly what keeps scientists up at night. My personal belief lies purely in line with scientific theory, I don't personally believe in an upper power or deity. The Big Bang has a lot of support and evidence to it and it sounds good enough that I just go with it. Just like those who are religious; their beliefs make the most sense to them, and they just go with it. And really, that's all we can do, is just accept what we are able to know, what we cannot know, and meld those two together into what results in our own personal beliefs.
     
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    Well honestly, if you could answer the question id givw you an award. And I shouldprobably just live life withouth questionimg the universe. But I'm a child. Just turned 13 the other day.and I'm curious.when I tjink of a question, I have to get the answer. I have taken water bottles apart to examime them.I google thing slike what happens when you die, even though I know the results are theroies and beliefs.
     
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    I'm an Atheist personally. I love the concept for a god as a character base though. Especially Greek Gods.

    Anyway, the debate on whether god exists is something I couldn't care less about. If you think so, fine. More power to ya! For myself, I find that there's far more interesting debates to have with religion, such as where following various rules and aspects could actually be rather damaging to modern society. Catholics and Contraception for instance.

    The Heaven currently doesn't matter to me. What we're doing down here is more important.

    As for The Universe and The Big Bang theory? Bloody important question, I think.

    What came before all of this? No idea, possibly never will. What is happening to The Universe as a whole? No idea, we might have everything crash before we fully understand it.

    For me, the curious effect of ploughing through these questions that are so huge, we may never understand them is that we stumble on a load of other stuff too, along the way. By chasing around our galaxy, we've found water and quasars and black holes and tones of stuff, all from just trying to find other forms of life on other planets.

    It's like playing through an RPG. Your actual goal is to fight the final boss but you've gained all these other things along the way, leveled up various skills and forged the best weapons.

    Science seems to be the same as a whole. As it pursues various avenues, it finds new stuff along the way. It might not be all that useful to solving one problem but it turns out it's great in other places. Reinvention happens a lot. I think that's where Teflon ended up on pans after the space age of the sixties. I wouldn't take that as gospel though.

    The curious thing about reality is just how weird it starts to seem at one point. There's an area of this all where it starts to sound like magic with all the quantum mechanics and things having two contradictory properties at the same time. I know that a lot of it in this gulf of weirdness is just slowly trickling down but from here, a lot of the questions asked seem centuries away until someone accidentally makes a time machine while perfecting the ultimate microwave or discovers ghosts are real while increasing the strength of glue.

    For now, I'm just sitting here debating another packet of crisps. Due to the blind nature of discovery, I have no idea how long these questions will go without a solid answer.
     
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    Ah, that was the other one, death. When we die it's my belief that nothing happens, we simply no longer have an existence. No after life, no reincarnation, just a corpse in the ground or cremated.
     

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