Radio page is messed up.

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  1. Rarit E

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    I think what ruins the layout of the radio page is the whole "3 columns" design.

    Right now, you're forced to place modules in either one of 3 vertical columns. Perhaps, if possible, you should add some horizontal columns as well. Or, even better, not make the page customizable by the users individually, and come up with one universal layout that always looks good. I'm no tech expert, but i think that would cause the least amount of complications and bugs.


    Methinks this would work out nicely if it can be done

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    I remember when people got pissed that the chat was moved to the right side of the livestream. Those were the days! XD
     
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    Hmm...Maybe? I think it might benefit from being a tad wider across the screen. That maybe just me though. I'll take a looksi.
     
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    You're not gonna get that look from the plugin the page currently uses (vBadvanced).

    Only issue (well...one of them) is that with the plugin, the pages you create (radio and the portal/homepage for example) are limited to 3 vertical columns when you configure them which does suck :/. So if you really want it to be something really custom, you're kinda better off coding your own PHP and custom HTML templates and do it all from complete scratch (unless something better exists??? I've never found it). And vBulletin makes creating custom pages in that fashion very annoying.... It's not necessarily hard, provided you can code PHP and actually understand the plethora of obscure functions vBulletin uses, and after you cry in the corner for a few hours and accept that vB is a frustrating platform. One thing I've learned is that vB wants to be a forum and nothing else, and that is its critical flaw -- lack of simpler expandability. Their support loves to remind you of that. Oh and have fun with the beautifully vague documentation! :D

    Personally, to save hair pulling, I would say make the best of what you can do with that plugin. 3 column design isn't necessarily too bad, if you can amend it with some good CSS and disable ability of users to customize the page (to prevent it from freaking out when people move things).

    Edit: One idea. You could try just using the center column only, make it 100% page width and that's essentially your container for all the players, chat and whatnot. Again there wouldn't be anything for user-customization, as you'd just be hard-coding the HTML and CSS formatting into one vBadvanced module but as rarit said, a universal good layout should not need user customization anyway.
     
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    I would advise against it. Not everyone has a wide screen, and needing to scroll from left to right is pretty annoying. I think the lowest screen width most people have these days is 1280p, so you should be alright if you don't make it any wider. The only smaller screen would be 800p wide, but that would make the radio ridiculously small for people who do have wide screens.

    tl,dr: Settle for average.
     
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    You don't need to settle with a fixed pixel width, most of the time. Idealy, it would need to be a fluid layout so it expands with your resolution instead of being absolute, which is how most websites need to operate today, and how the radio page currently does not (zoom out and you'll see it just stays put in the center without expanding, like a block). And how when you zoom out on this page, the postboxes will expand to fill your screen for example. Percentages vs pixels.
     
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    I agree with the above; using relative sizing and formatting is fairly important with the resolution discrepancies seen on modern devices (ie. Phones vs. 1080p standard vs. Ultra hi-res monitors). Also, CSS allows for arbitrary minimum and maximum widths, heights and other dimensions, to better work with extremes.


    Also, the rest of the forum looks like it uses screen relative sizing anyway.


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    Ever since the shoutcast went down, i've been having loading issues with the radio page. Anyone else getting it too?
     
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    Yes, this is because the javascript that show you the shoutcast info no longer exist due to the shutdown. The browser then just sits there waiting for a response it won't get, before timing out, then continuing loading the rest of the page. The shoutcast players and scripts need to be removed.
     
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    Works good for me.
     
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    Mm...I don't really wanna be that guy but this is something that should have taken like 5 minutes at most to resolve. :/

    The shoutcast is down message on the forumhome is a becoming a bit of an eye sore too...

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    I'm pretty sure they're busy because holidays, but agreed.
     
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    You're probably right.

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    Isn't that one kinda necessary? Although, we could replace it with a little banner explaining the situation, I suppose. Hmm...
     
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    Yes but I was under the impression that shout cast is shutdown and a new service is going to replace it? Or is it just the host you are switching?

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    Either way, until the shoutcast can be replaced/fixed, it should probably be temporarily removed, most importantly to fix the loading issues on the radio. And as you said, a message explaining the situation of shoutcast would be more useful than "Sorry, shoutcast is still down."

    Furthermore, as was said earlier in this thread, the whole radio could do with some TLC, and not just visually. I don't know what's being done for the radio at the moment, but the radio staff should, preferably by working together, come up with a variety of ways to bring people back to that part of the site. Just being active in a silent chat isn't gonna cut it, especially when they get bored themselves and go afk when someone actually pops in. I've been trying to provoke some response whenever i check the radio, but usually i don't get much from anyone except occasionally Blazing.

    If i may suggest a bold thing, how about a major clean slate protocol? Wipe out the radio and all the old playlists, make all-new playlists with both old and new videos. Think of all-new live shows you can stick to and keep up for a long time, record those live shows and put them in the playlists. Be online to take requests. (not sure how often this is still done but personally i haven't seen much of it myself). And most importantly, put your social media team on advertising that there's a fresh brand-new radio with new DJ's and an invigorated resolve to keep the radio interesting.

    You can do all this, but it won't matter if the radio staff isn't fully committed. That's the key factor here. Be happy, be fun to hang out with. Be active and interesting. Become like gravity and draw people in.


    Let's be fair. At the moment the radio is a big mess. The best way to clean up a big mess is to throw it out and start over. Think of it as an Animal Crossing game you haven't played in months. :p


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    Actually, if you want my personal opinion, i would just ditch the Shoutcast permanently and stick to livestream. Livestream is far more flexible for various purposes, and considering it also plays music, it makes shoutcast sort of superfluous and unnecessarilly expensive. I'd say, keep it simple.
     
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    Thanks for the input Rarit. I'm working on the layout a little at the mo.
     

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