The sad Truth behind Luna. And her plan to take over equestria again.

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  1. Invicta

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    Princess Luna, a very well loved character of MLP:FIM. Most fans claim that she is the best monarch in the show.. Surpassing celestia, I used to think that up until now. I view Luna as a very cruel pony.. She may have been nice in season 2.. But somethiNg happened.. Something or more than two major things happened that caused this. This is my new theory of Luna's collapsing mental state up until now.


    From what we know, Luna is the sister Of Celestia. Both serve as the sole rulers of equestrian, as they did 1000 years previously when Luna turned into nmm for the first time, tried to take over equestria, failed and was sent ro the moon for the next 1000 years.
    1000 years later on the 1000th sun celebration, Nightmare is able to return to equestria and lands in ponyville.. We are not sure of what she did with her sister then or whey she was missing, but we can assume that maybe she trapped her or something. Nightmare thought that she would win this time, so she fought the mane six, led by twilight sparkle. That attempt also failed and she was turned into her weak form. Most thinks that the story of Nightmare ends here... But to me, it only begins. Let my theory begin.

    Remember how scared ponyville was of Luna when she returned in season 2? Everyone thought that she was still nightmare, Luna tried her best to prove to them she wasn't.. But their fear got to her and she cancelled the holiday, but with twilight's help, she restored the holiday and it seemed to be happy ending, which it was.. For that time.
    The next time we saw Luna was during " a canterlot wedding" when her niece, Princess cadence was getting married to Shining armor, twilight's older brother. But somehow... So pony figured out that the cadence there was a fake and the real one was trapped in the caves beneath the crystal palace. But once again, twilight manages to see though the cruel and rude fake cadence the she was able to rescue the real cadence from the caves. They meet the fake cadence at the throne room, where the fake reviles her true identity as Queen chrysalis of the changelings. She then shouts put her plans for equestrian domination until Celestia, who was at the wedding at the time heard this and went on the offensive against chrysalis. It see,Ed that Celestia would win.. Until due to shinning armor's stolen love, chrysalis manages to push celestia's magic back and make it hit her... Greatly injuring the princess.. But oh my, who wasn't anywhere to be found but the second princess..... Luna. Twilight and her friend did eventually send the changelings back, you know the story but the thing that is so controversial si that Luna Appears at the part after the wedding saying " Did I miss anything?" to her sister and the mane six.
    What the HECK was she doing that would make her unable to come to her own sister's aid during the dual?! That's your own sister Luna, protect her! But uh no, she didn't even try to and the episode ends on a happy note showing Luna's first possible signs of darkness.
    The second time Luna appeared.. Only for a few minutes in the crystal empire when sombra's remains attempted to take over the crystal empire again. As Celestia tells twilight about the situation, Luna rudely glares at twilight and right when she is about to trot out the door, she gives her a evil looking smile right before the door closed. Even after that... Luna still glared at twilight.. Even as she watched the train return to ponyville.

    But here is the third puzzle piece.. Which appeared In today's new episode " for whom the sweetie bell toils" , sweetie has her older sister, rarity make some dresses for a play... The dresses gain more popularity than the play and sweetie gets mad and thinks that Rarity is trying to steal the spot light. She yells at her older sister than slams the door t her room and goes to sleep.. Where Luna enter's sweetie's dreams.
    At first.. It seemed to be a average award show and sweetie wins.. But the dream quickly turns into a nightmare as the trophy melts and it begins to rain. She looks up to see a rain cloud mocking her, and decides to yells at it Luna at first appears to be good, she destroys the clue and shows sweetie her past... But this is when things get a little dark, for a supposedly very kind and soft Luna to create or modify a dream to do this. She showed rarity's hat that she made for a fashion show fall apart and it ruins her rep.. It even Shows her crying and her house rotting then even her eye twiching. Sweetie belle begs for Luna to stop, but Luna does not and continues to scare the little filly. But just so that she wouldn't destroy her own rep and ends the dream.. Sort of, she allows sweetie to see the future for a sec and this allows sweetie to barely save rarity in time..

    So as you just observed.. There are many reasons for why I don't like Luna that much anymore.. But I think I just named a few and maybe she was trying to let Celestia die since if Celestia dies, the full throne could go to Luna. So I personally believe that Luna could still be very much so evil, she is just trying to hide it.. Then take action at the right time. Another thing as well, if Luna was really irreversibly effected by being nmm.. Then she may not be able to control her soft spots anymore... If that's the case.. Then she just has minor issues. But Luna clearly had control over sweetie's dream, suggesting that she can control her soft and mostly hard spots. So that means that Luna had complete sontrol over the dream and generally ignored sweetie when she showed her the very sad dream. She should have stopped at the hat falling apart and them making fun of rarity, but she goes on to show rarity crying and her mental state falling in on itself and her whole house rotting around her as she cringes. I think that Luna didn't try to make the dream less scary.. She tried to make it more scary. This may not be a perfect theory, but it still has some strong points.
     
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    Well I'll have to disagree with your theory. I understand it but most of your points can be debunked quite easily. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just disagree.

    I'll start off with the wedding. It's been out there for awhile now, the question of where Luna was during the events that transpired. I have only one thing to say and that's that she works at night, it's only logical she sleeps during the day. I doubt she would've heard the commotion from her chambers, structurally speaking -at least what I've gathered from the show- her room is in a high tower. The sound from the disturbances below probably couldn't reach her room, which I'd say was shut tight to keep the sunlight out. Now had the events transpired at twilight, not the pony, when Luna had been awake, it is my belief she would have fought alongside her sister. This is why I'm having a difficult time believing your theory of the wedding. It wasn't because Luna didn't want to help but because she truly didn't know what was going on.

    I'm not really sure about the crystal empire theory. I highly doubt Luna's glares towards Twilight, the pony, were of malicious intent. Twilight was taking on a massive responsibility and I believe that the glaring was Luna's way of 'summing' Twilight up. As we all know from Nightmare Night, Luna isn't the most sociable of ponies. She'll often use her Canterlot voice, unlike her sister who we seldom hear speaking in any tone other than gentle. It's highly plausible that Luna was just analyzing Twilight. It's also plausible that she was making sure Twilight knew the severity of the task she was about to take on. I can't see her actions in this scene as an act of hate.

    As for the most recent episode, I completely agree that she intentionally made the dream scary. Luna showed Sweetie Belle quite a few horrendous sights whilst she was inside her dream. She didn't stop the dream when Sweetie Belle asked her to, she let it carry on. She had Sweetie Belle on the verge of an emotional breakdown ... but she did it for a just cause. As she'd mentioned to Sweetie Belle earlier on, she understood how it feels to have an older sister who shined brighter than herself at times. She also referenced the NMM incident just before sending Sweetie Belle off to see the future. She wasn't scaring Sweetie Belle for the sake of scaring her. She was scaring her because she didn't want the darkness, the hatred inside to fester and eventually lead to an incident similar to NMM (Nightmare Sweetie Belle!!). She was protecting Sweetie Belle in this way. If there had been no value for Sweetie Belle to obtain from the dream then I'd agree that Luna might be relapsing into her former, wicked self. Though seeing that not only did the dream allow Sweetie Belle to understand her sister a little better but bring them both closer together, I'd have to say that there's no chance this was an outcry of NMM.

    So, while your theory is possible, I can't see it being plausible in the slightest.

    I almost panicked when I saw this was another CMC/Luna episode. My first thought was, "She's collecting her children of the night." I just laughed it off though because I doubt that that's going to be a story arc in the show. I'm still waiting on Applebloom to get her episode with Luna and then I might start putting my 'children of the night' theories out there.

    As far as NMM goes, I don't see her making a return anymore -save for the close call in 'Princess Twilight Sparkle'- as the Elements had -or were supposed to have- removed all of NMM's essence.
     
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    I don't feel like typing up a long rebuttal to such an asinine theory, so I'm just going to say that you are completely, and laughably, wrong.
     
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    Fear is a powerful motivator. The use of it may sometimes be misconstrued as cruelty. However, Sweetie Belle was in no real danger. And if you'll notice, the scary stuff didn't happen until Luna had left the dream so it's a pretty safe guess that SB's own fear and anxiety triggered the disturbing images, not Luna.
     
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    I actually hadn't thought of the possibility Luna wasn't involved in that at all. I thought she was using fear, as you said, as a motivator. Although even if that were the case it's as you said, Sweetie Belle wasn't in danger and it was for her own benefit.
     
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    not trying to look like a total *****, but TL;DR
     
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    You bumped a week-old thread just to say that you couldn't be bothered to read it?
     
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    The biggest issue I have with this thread is the torturously bad grammar in the title; there was by no means any need to put that period where it is, the title would have been grammatically more correct had it been one sentence.

    The capitalisation is also intensely questionable.

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