http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ternet-trolls-tormented-days-threw-train.html Sent from my Nokia 3310 using Tapatalk 2
I'd just like to point out one harsh fact here: He did this to himself. He chose to create a YouTube channel, thus opening himself up to online criticism. He chose to take the comments of online trolls personally. Finally, he chose to take his own life. It's sad that there are people in this world that choose to attack others without cause, but those people didn't kill him. In the end, online bullying may have led him to that bridge, but he made the choice to jump.
It really disappoints me when someone commits suicide like this. I mean, there're are trolls out there on the internet. I've also been trolled alot from social medias and stuff like that. But, I just try to forget about it and move on. Its hard to tell if its sarcasm in text. Some people just take it too far and feel like never coming back. Because they think it ruins their reputation (or feeling offended) on a lot of sites. Well, it wasn't his fault he couldn't talk proper English and the other people said negative things to him. YouTube is one of those of places with most of the trolls that I know of.
It's much easier said than done to just 'ignore the trolls', especially when you have a disability like the one he did. Contrary to popular belief, words can hurt more than any bullet from a chamber can. You can play semantics all you want, but in the end he'd be alive if people weren't such ****ing ********. It's statements like this that allow continual bullying and cyberbullying to run amok. 'Well it's not their fault. He hung himself' is something I hear far too often when it comes to teen suicides from bullying. This makes people complacent and drives the problem to the people being abused and not the abusers. This is bull****. They're every bit as accountable for this as he is.
In a way, I have to agree with Ridley. Although, I do have to say that not everybody can handle criticism and hateful comments as well as some. Yes, those who bashed this guy should be held accountable for their comments but I hardly believe that makes them guilty of murder. This was a SUICIDE. If they had been put face-to-face with Adam, I doubt that they would have actually went so far as throwing him under a train. It's easy to give harsh criticism and/or hateful comments online since you can do so while remaining faceless. That said, it's always best to keep your words sweet because you may have to eat them later. If you don't have anything nice to say, at least try to keep what you DO say respectful.
I get the feeling that this only gets attention because he had a learning disability. A lot of people takes their own life every day but we only hear of those who aren't normal.
You're. Not. Helping. Don't you understand? Have you no empathy? This was a SUICIDE. Say what you will, but it's not his fault the trolls drove him to suicide. Sent from my Nokia 3310 using Tapatalk 2
Helping? What good does feeling sorry for this kid do? He's dead, and nothing can change that. Bullying will never end. Ever. It's human nature. If parents really want to protect their children, they should teach them to stand up for themselves. The problem isn't that bullies exist. The problem is that children aren't being taught to cope. As long as we live in a society of victims, things like this will continue to happen.
Another sad fact is that a bawled up fist, while a last resort, is a highly effective option. I don't encourage fighting but I also don't wanna see kids get their asses handed to them while powerless to stop it.
Unfortunately, fighting back is an option that is being taken away from kids at an alarming rate. Thanks to the "zero-tolerance" policies being used by an increasing number of schools, any violence, even in self-defense, results in suspension or worse. This only exacerbates the problem, because it forces kids to be the victim. If they fight back, they risk the same punishment as their attackers.
I think the way the article put it was accurate. For "vulnerable individuals", places like youtube are dangerous places. Some people can handle comments, and know to ignore the ones that just mock and make fun of you for no reason, and to only care about the ones that are constructive criticism or praise. Other people, like this person, think that everyone's words matter, and take every comment to heart, which is not something you should ever do on youtube or even most of the internet. It will only end badly. Think of it this way: The more people who see what you make, the greater number of jerks you'll have posting on your stuff. Famous people online have thousands of hate mail messages, just because people don't like something about them or what they do. Take one of my favorite youtubers, Solwolf. He gets crap because his avatar is an anthropomorphic wolf. People post on his videos (none of which have anything to do with furries) and hate on him for being a furry and follow him to his twitter and facebook and hate on him there because he's a furry. I feel bad for him, but I noticed he learned to deal with it and just block and ignore those people. That's the only way you can not break down. So in short, I agree with Ridley. People trying to fix bullying are doing it the wrong way: kids should be taught to cope with it, because we aren't going to be able to deal with it at the source. That's like saying "It's raining? Well let's research how to control the weather!" instead of just using an umbrella.
Humanity is always imperfect there is no changing that as it is human nature. We will always be imperfect no matter what we do, yet it is what helps define us either for good or for worse.
I don't blame the bullies for the suicide, but bullying by itself is bad. And the arguments in this thread saying that bullying is inevitable miss the point entirely; so many things have been around for as long as humans have, but that does not make those things inevitable. Murder, rape, war and even such a comparably trifling thing as bullying are only "inevitable" in hindsight, since they actually can be stopped. They aren't always, but they can be. Treat these things case by case and you'll see what I mean. Also, taking one's own life is a sign of being mentally ill and should be taken in just such a context, regardless of where you place blame.
I don't think any of us are saying that nothing should ever be done about bullying. We're just saying that it's pointless to try and stop entirely. I'm sure any of us would agree that you should try and stop bullying if you see it, per a case-by-case basis as you say. Bullying cannot be stopped completely, because unfortunately being a dick is part of human nature. All any of us can really do is do what we can in our own lives to protect against bullying. This is where personal responsibility comes into play. Things like working on developing a thicker skin to take mean-spirited remarks more in stride. Things like stepping in to stop a bully when you see them mistreating another. In the case of the teenager in the article, personal responsibility would be more like being aware of your mental state and taking steps to avoid toxic comments. YouTube was not a good place for him, sadly. I'm not sure of the guy was aware of his inability to handle negative comments, but if he was, then disabling comments on his videos would have been best. Tragically, this one fell through the cracks.
[I just want everyone to know this comment is mine, I was having issues posting with Tapatalk and it posted this separate from my account.] I agree with the second part of what you said, especially about growing a thicker skin. But he was obviously unwell, so it's hard for me to blame him for not being thick-skinned enough. This also makes it harder to blame him for not disabling comments (another perfectly good strategy) since he might not have had a clear and healthy understanding of his situation. Since some of this comes down to opinion, my earlier comment about the supposed inevitability of bullying still stands, as I see it. I don't think there's much of a point in speculating about the nature of the human race. I would never claim that stopping bullying entirely is a realistic goal, but why not aim there? Settling for less seems like a pretty easy way to brush off real problems and real people without ever realizing it. More importantly, I don't blame the kid or the bullies; I'd blame mental illness, and treating that particular problem, in my opinion, requires a very different tact. It's not like there's any practical cap or limitation on human kindness, at least in terms of feeling emotions for other people, and how people act towards each other and feel towards each other can mean a whole lot. Maybe it would make a difference. Maybe it wouldn't. I'm really not sure.
Weeeell I dunno about you, but I could do without the self-righteous people with superiority complexes who look down their noses at you for not doing as much as they think you should. Aiming for the top has a tendency to breed those. But that's a whole other conversation.
dude,what you may be saying is true but don't you feel ANY sympathy for him? he had a learning disabliltiy and a dream just like all of us, bullying may not end but simply putting the blame on this kid is also kind of mean. its like saying "i shot a guy but i wasn't the one who killed him." thats mainly what you're saying. and if you can't simply say "they shouldn't have" then you might as well not answer to this thread. its just sad. people commit suicide because that is the only answer they see possible because they know that no mater where they go or what happens to them nothing will change unless they take their own life to end the pain. most suicides have been from bullying,and this kid was also a MLP fan which is another reason why he was bullied because people simply assume thse days that certain things are meant for girls ike MLP,and simply being devoted to this show he was bullied which borught him to his only solution that was caused by trolls.
