Why are we not allowed to talk about other sites?

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  1. Night Fury

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    I don't see the point in telling everyone to hush up about their bad experiences, but why? We couldn't do anything to them that they haven't done to themselves already. This ranges from abuse, insults, you name it, we have all experienced this first hand. Doing so is like me letting all my stuff in my house get stolen, its a lost cause to protect another site; the information is already known about them.

    Feedback about another is needed, they need to know if that site is right for them, covering it up only does more harm than good. Let's say you join a site and have no knowledge of it or its history, you're walking around in the dark. The next thing you know, you're being insulted, abused and then banned for defending yourself(what else is new?) I've said it before and i'll say it again, its not bad to state you're opinion and your own bad experiences on a site.

    On MLP Forums, I was telling people how I was abused by those on Fimfiction, so I was given a C&D by the mod. The reason? They were in affilation with them. So this meant that nobody was allowed to say their piece and stay silent. In all honesty, let those who made the site and the members who joined face the consequences of their actions, not cover it up with lies.
     
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    From what I understand...

    It's because the mods and admins on here don't want to start unnecessary "forum wars" with another forum whether it's MLP: FiM related or not.

    But hopefully a mod/admin will post here and answer your question more thoroughly than I just did.
     
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    Its a little too late for that, other forums have tried, but it will always happen. Just banning people won't solve the problem.
     
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    @Candy Star

    After reading this, I went and read a few of your blog posts because of your recent Canterlot.com issue, and... well, I feel like you treat staff like attack dogs that the admins set on people (or leave without a leash on a post). Honestly, you have the wrong idea about staff members. They're there to keep a level headed community and arguing with someone in a position of power is never a good idea. Out off of the internet, that's the first step to getting yourself into some pretty nasty situations, regardless on if you're right or not. You've got to remember that they're actual people on their side of the computer who see you as another troublemaker yelling at them for doing their job. We've seen plenty of that here.

    I'm pretty sure MLPF has a bit larger of a userbase than we do, meaning that they can have a bit more leniency on what their mods are up to. Over here it's hard to ban a single person without an hour of conversation among everyone. Though, they've also rather brushed us off a few times when we had a few (incredibly easy) questions to ask them, which they promptly blew off because we weren't that important.

    It's really never a good idea to go to a website and badmouth other sites on it. Just because it's a different site doesn't mean nobody uses the one you're badmouthing, and you'll have to be ready to back up your claims. Though again, this goes back to not arguing with someone under a position of power. Seriously, don't do it. The winning move is not to play.
     
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    Candy, you've been extremely vocal about your past negative experiences, so much so that your posts about them have comprised roughly half of all of your posts that I've seen. That kind of negativity generally isn't welcome; although people have been willing to hear you out the first few times, you can vent to someone privately elsewhere without spreading that negativity around all the time. I've known people who are like that off the internet; they spend so much time complaining about others that sooner or later nobody wants to talk to them at all. It just isn't fun for anyone else.

    I'm not here to be mean to you; please don't think that. I just can't see a happy ending for a dude who spends so much time taking a crap on other people, regardless of what they did. There's comes a day when it's just time to move on.

    To the contrary: banning people generally has solved this problem.
     
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    Well you tell me: Does just saying they did a backtrace count as proof? I'm allowed to be shown that they did do it, otherwise its just their words. I just felt violated of my right to show my own work.

    I'm not trying to sound aggressive, I just needed to get that off my chest, okay? Otherwise I cannot. I've relieved the stress I've been holding back, sorry if I went overboard.
     
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    As a mod myself, I would like to say that no, they are not required to show you any sort of proof and you are required to take their word for it. Independent sites are not world-powers, and such do not have the same human rights as those that do. This might sound a bit morbid, but on many sites you have literally no power and cannot complain that the Executive branch is infringing rights set up by the Legislative one.
     
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    Well there's one thing to remember: While you may ban members, there will always be more that will take their place, an eternal spiral, futile, but never ending. Just thought i'd make that clear for this topic.
     
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    Sorry, but your perspective is a little out of whack.

    Forum members aren't a force of nature. The obnoxious ones do eventually give up after bannings, and while other obnoxious people do show up, we deal with those in their time.

    Your ideological misstep is in viewing the consistent occasional flamer as being one of a group of flamers. The reality is that most of them are independent of each other, and as such each problem does have its own end. There will be other other problems, but those too will end. There will always be other spammers, but eventually they will be dealt with like those before them, and we will still be here.
     
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    Apparently not, but just not in a sense that attacks them.
     
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    We understand you're upset, but you don't seem to want closure, to be frank. What it seems you want is for everyone to agree with you so you that MLP Forums staff is bad and should feel bad, so that you can feel vindication, but unfortunately that is essentially hoping to turn everyone here against that forum, which would result in 'forum wars' as Lost Sanity put it. We don't want everyone here hating MLP Forums, and as a result everyone on MLP Forums hating us over here. It's our job to encourage peace and cooperation, not the opposite.

    And on that note, as Dilly said, the topic you've been pushing in general is rather negative, and while there is a time and place for such topics, it's not healthy to have such a focus on them, so we tend to discourage them.

    Finally, in response to your argument that "We couldn't do anything to them that they haven't done to themselves already":

    I'm not sure how true that is, but it seems to be an argument against your actions, at least to me. If we take that statement as true, then the only thing your negative posts about their staff are doing is spreading that negativity here, am I correct? If what you say there is true, you are not hurting them by saying these things, only yourself and us. Just another perspective to think about.

    We are happy to have you on our forums, but we have to do our jobs, too, and that involves keeping this a friendly, positive, and bucket-filling community as much as possible. So while I personally have nothing to say about or against your experience itself, I do ask that you please keep your venting to private messaging, if you really need to talk about these things. Thank you!
     
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    Sorry if it sounded that way, but don't get the wrong idea. I loved it there, but I just wish they'd have handled it better. Its always a misconception that it means that when it doesn't. I am trying to let it go, but with AS, it tends to become difficult. I'm sorry if it got brought up.
     
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    So I'd rather not discuss this further, because its only making it worse for me. So could you get rid of that blog then? Its the only way I see to forget.
     

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