Trump-li-ness

Nah, I'm just trying to get into the mindset of a Trump supporter x3

 

I think you need a pipe wrench and a morally dubious friend to achieve that properly.

 

Need help? (Holds up pipe wrench)

 

It's pretty easy to get into the head of a Trump supporter, actually.

First, imagine something you love. Something that's very important to you.

Now, imagine being forced to sit down and watch as strangers slowly destroy and defile that thing.

Imagine that no matter how much you beg and plead for them to stop, they keep going.

Imagine that they're offended! How dare you try and keep them from destroying the thing!

Now, imagine somebody coming along and promising to fix the thing you love, and make sure nobody else harms it.

That's the mindset of Trump supporter.

 

Maybe that's not how it's supposed to work, but it is how it's working in the U.S. Why the hell should I work my ass off when the government will take my money and give it to someone not to work? I work in a 7 Eleven. What I see people do with their food stamps....

I don't see Trump doing anything about the issues that need to be Tackled. He's not right wing. He's an entertainer who knows the fix is in for Hillary on the left, so if he wants the power for himself he'll say a few things, get people riled up and then be a third year of Obama. In the end the Republicans end up being blamed and then someone like Sanders will probably be elected. What he says and what he practices don't add up.

 

The US is a capitalist country, and even the most rudimentary of research and analysis corroborates this.

Again, we are dealing with a classic straw man fallacy. This contention is invalid.

That's becoming the new normal for millions of people, even those who did well in college and earned degrees. Is it any wonder why we are seeing sharp and sudden political changes in a distorted fashion, as I elaborated above?

There may be some parasites that slip through the cracks, but not everyone on food stamps is abusing them. And let us not forget about the various "welfare queens" among the wealthy (bank bailouts, auto industry bailouts, Wal-Mart encouraging their workers to go on Welfare so they don't have to pay for serious benefits, "Obamacare" requiring people to give their money to private health insurance companies, etc.).

Many people are already correctly pointing the "finger of blame" at both political parties. Hillary is also part of the oligarchy that runs this country, and the distrust many already have in her is not unwarranted. If Hillary becomes president, any "honeymoon" period she receives probably won't be as long as it was for Obama. It isn't Sanders that has Wall Street politicians concerned - it is the movement behind him that concerns them. That movement could be demoralized and fizzle out in the short term if Sanders simply gives up and backs Hillary as he said in the past in the event of not getting the nomination. However, that situation would not last forever (the fundamental problems these people face aren't going away anytime soon). What we are seeing with Trump and Sanders is just barely the beginning of a long overdue change in political consciousness in the United States (which is part of such a process starting to sweep the world).

 

Can I haz plane ticket and lodging to watch with you?

Everyone else: \/
I'm not one to foist my religion on others. But those in my religion, have started looking at these current events as signs of the end, when compared to Revelations. I don't necessarily fear it, but I fear for others. Nor do I necessarily believe wholeheartedly and blindly that it is the end.

 

The U.S. is Capatalist with strong Socialist leaning. Maybe you didn't mean to come off know it all, but you can't tell me that the Welfare State is a Capitalist program.

You're seriously trying to tell me that it's only some parasites? Just some? 90% of my stores food stamps sales are on junk food. I have people sell their food stamps so they can have money to pay the slots. I have parents give their kids their cards so they can buy snacks. People with cards from two states. The food stamp program needs to be bloody audited and overhauled.

 

This isn't the end, this is just another window in the advent calendar of *squee!* that is human history.

 

I believe you fail to see, that i said "Nor do I necessarily believe wholeheartedly and blindly that it is the end."

 

I didn't fail to see that.

You expressed an opinion, I expressed a different opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

The commanding heights of the economy in the United States are privately owned. The character of production is social, and the mode of appropriation is individual. Products resulting from the use of the means of production are intended for consumption. Capitalism and state intervention are not dichotomous. For instance, state intervention was used to coordinate production between privately owned enterprises in the capitalist powers (USA, Britain, Germany) involved in WWII. Furthermore, a good deal of research and development is federally funded, as it can take years, if not decades, for research to develop something that can generate profits. Additionally, the welfare state emerged to protect capitalism - workers are more likely to struggle and be open to socialist ideology when unemployment results in starvation as it did in the past. It is true that such a program, in addition to other reforms, e.g. single-payer healthcare in other advanced countries, were conceded under pressure from class struggle, but these programs in themselves don't automatically result in the abolition of capitalism. Similarly, private ownership of the means of production and money existed in pre-capitalist societies, but their existence didn't automatically make those places capitalist. Individual elements of past or future economic formations existing within a given society don't automatically result in a fundamental alteration of the existing property forms. Contrary to what some right-wing types say, FDR wasn't any less dedicated to the preservation of capitalism than Ronald Reagan.

A change in political consciousness and the rise of various distorted phenomena, including Trump, are resulting from a fall in overall living standards and the inability for the capitalists to grant the concessions as they did in the past. The Postwar Boom that "saved" the day and allowed Wall Street to buy off Main Street is over, as is the credit boom that followed it. The existence of nuclear weapons (Mutually Assured Destruction) doesn't make a third World War feasible to save the day again (the destruction of vast swathes of productive forces, territory, etc. eliminating competition for the victors and creating huge market openings). Decades of fiscal austerity are on the agenda, and in the long run, people aren't going to take that lying down. Those who said that history was over are in for a rude awakening.

First, the issue of poor people buying junk food isn't as clear cut as you make it seem. A variety of factors are at play, including fewer full-service grocery stores in poor neighborhoods, vehicle access impeding access to nutritious food, and healthier food being of lower quality (and less attractive) in poor communities. Additionally, we must keep in mind that your experience is purely anecdotal in nature. Even if we assume that what you are saying is entirely correct, does it stretch that way across the entire US? Do you have any statistical evidence to corroborate such a claim? For instance, I wouldn't go as far as saying that 80 to 90% of people in the public sector are incompetent and unproductive just because that happened to be the case in one public sector place where I used to work. And it is any surprise that some people engage in fraudulent activity when the alternative is, in a fair deal of cases, a menial job that does a poor job of paying the bills in the first place?

Eh...maybe we should vote for Trump if we can convince him to deport Bieber.

 

"Eh...maybe we should vote for Trump if we can convince him to deport Bieber. "
Like Trump listens to us? He barely answers our questions about his Public Campaign. Like he'll listen to us asking him to deport anyone other than Mexicans, Islamic Peoples, or anyone on his personal, "YOu destroy America" list.

 

That comment was purely facetious in nature.

 

Even if it was joking, my statement applies.