Your Opinion: Is Trump actually damaging the USA or is everyone misconstruing it?

Yeah, but most of the programs being cut are related to the study of climate change.

Which is kind of a confusing topic at the moment, actually. I mean, yeah. I've seen the studies, read the conclusions. The majority of scientists agree that human-caused climate change is a real threat.
At the same time, I remember that there was a time in history when the majority of scientists agreed that black people were an inferior subspecies, so I'm inclined to take all but the most exhaustively proven theories with a grain of salt.

And while I do believe that human-caused climate change is real, I've also seen a number of studies that either supposedly disprove it, or suggest that perhaps some of the climate change studies may have fudged some numbers to better fit the popular narrative.

 

You....you do know like 99% of scientists think climate change is manmade right? Every legitimate study has shown so. And you have to admit, it's awfully good timing that global temperatures starting going up right at the same time as the industrial revolution. Plus, carbon dioxide is a known greenhouse gas, and we are putting WAY too much into the atmosphere.
Ridley, America is one of the only places in the world where man-made climate change is debate. It isnt a question, it isnt a debate, its cold hard fact.

also, whats wrong with studying climate change? why does money need to be taken from that? Also if hes sooo committed to stopping climate change, why is he deregulating coal, oil, etc. Why did he make it so coal dust can be dumped into rivers? Why did he drop the fuel efficiency standards?

 

No, it's not a cold hard fact. It's still just a theory at this point.
And until and unless that changes, we have to at least consider alternative theories.

Like I said, I don't doubt the popular scientific opinion, but I've seen enough dissenting research to understand how others could doubt it.
I also know that the GOP prefers the more convenient, if less... factual... narrative on the subject, and push it as hard as they can, so I understand how many Republicans, including the President, could be taken in by it.

Honestly, this is the subject where my point of view differs most from the "party line."

And to answer your questions: Money.

 

I take it you dont know what scientific theories are. Gravity is a theory, Ridley. A theory in science is a extremely well tested idea that has not been disproven in many, many experiments. Climate change is not a theory as the general public knows it, it is a fact, "theory" if youre that committed to it. And I guarantee those studies youve seen are purposely heavily biased to fulfil an agenda. After all, vaccines causing autism techniiically has a study behind it, but its an conclusion meant to fit a hypothesis, not the other way around

 

I am well aware of what a scientific theory is.
Just as I am well aware that despite considerable and almost entirely conclusive evidence, the theory that climate change is caused by human activity is NOT proven. Even the NASA page on climate change uses the term "extremely likely" rather than "positively."

Once AGAIN, while I do not doubt the general scientific consensus that global warming is caused by human activity, I also understand that it will likely never be one hundred percent proven, for the simple reason that it can't be.

Bloody hell, man, I'm agreeing with you on the important bit. Why the hell are we arguing semantics? This is just stupid on both our parts.

 

Under Obamacare, religious-based employers, including Catholic hospitals, were required to cover birth control on employee health plans.
This just give them the option to request that particular requirement be waived.

Which I guess means the folks who work in those places will be subjected to the unimaginable hardship of buying their own birth control.

 

The following is a non-exhaustive list of companies who have criticized Trump's pulling out of the Paris Agreement
Tesla
Exxon Mobile
BP
Goldman Sachs
General Electric (GE)
Disney
Apple
Microsoft
Facebook
Starbucks
Nike
Adidas
L'Oreal
Monsanto
Chevron

All the major countries that have criticized Trump over him pulling out of the Paris Agreement
France
Germany
Britain
China
India
Mexico
Canada
(dozens of minor nations have as well)

 

I don't see that as a loss.

 

You dont see it as a loss than an intelligent CEO who heads one of the most valuable companies in the country is leaving counciling Trump? (on top of several others leaving)
also: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-02/how-trump-is-surrendering-america-s-soft-power

 

While I don't agree with everything Adam says, Musk is just another business man. Walking away over us walking away from the Climate accord, doesn't mean squat. If he really cared about the environment he wouldn't be such a bloody hypocrite.

 

Jesus. Christ.


Full of lies and misinformation.
I'll bet he was paid by some gas company to spew out those easily and heavily debunked 'facts'.

 

Musk has done more to help society within the last ten years then what Trump has done in thirty. Having a successful busisness aptitude doesn't imhertantly make you some 60's
hanna barbera villain.

 

If you've watched Adam ruin everything you'd know he's a big a global warming believer as the next guy. Considering I live in the desert and we still have to rely on traditional power. I'm going to say he's probably right about it not being viable any time soon.

Please feel free to tell me all the good Musk has done. Cause I'm sure more than half of it is the same feel good bull crap a lot of big business guys do. I never said he was a villain what I was simply saying a saint, he ain't.( http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html ) He's no different than Trump in my book and Trump's no different than Obama. He's just has different means to the same stupid ends.

 

You do that video is misleading in of itself right? 1: Especially in places like California and Texas, the energy on the grid has tons of renewables on it. I believe over a third of Texas' power comes from renewables for example. Also, it mentions the big scary transportation of the materials to make an electric car but, ya know, regular cars need the samd exact transportation, and dont forget about oil tankers.
Its CollegeHumor dude, you should not be building your opinions of something like that.
also here's just a few things I can think of Elon Musk doing thats good; he's donated millions to charity, signed the Wealth Pledge (were billionaires agree to give 99% of their total worth away in life or death), helped advanced solar technology (while granted wasnt done as charity, will help us all). He's also made extrenely friendly deals to places in critical need for stuff his companies make. He recently promised to build the state of South Australia millions of dollars worth of batteries to store energy grid power on for half price, with it being for free if, from construction, the battery banks arent done within 80 days.
Also, you say Trump is no different from Obama. You do know that at this point in Obama's presidency, the biggest scandal around was that he put dijon mustard on a hot dog. Oh, and dont forget that Obama is a million times better speaker than Trump, and Obama helped moved civil liberties (i.e. by fighting voter ID laws that were clearly meant to discriminate), criminal justice (i.e. reducing and removing mandatory sentences, and allowing states to legalize marijuana on their own), enviromental, and he completely rebuilt America's standing from how HATED we were from Bush. Trump is trying to undo all that. On top of that, Obama never attacked the media, calling them fake news or public enemy #1 or anything like that, all things Trump has done. Hell, Obama took the negative news against him in stride, poking fun at it at White House Correspondence dinners (which Trump is skipping) and the like. Hell, even remember when Obama himself made a 'Thanks Obama' video?
No, Trump and Obama are not the same. Obama was a well spoken if uuhhhh-y speaker, who was respectful to his opponents, willing to take and make depreciating jokes about himself, tried to stay open to the American people (holding weekly pressers, reading 10 letters from American citizens himself every night, etc), and kept himself very well informed (sources said his daily intel briefings looked more like books than reports).
Trump is a rambling incoherent mess of a speaker who changes what he's talking about mid-sentence (remember when he took 3 contradictory positions on abortion in a single sentence anyone?), who cant handle any joke made at his expense, has remained closed off to the American people (refuses to do press conferences, and no, rallies do not count as its a friendly crowd that cheers his every word), and who gets bored of reading intelligence reports unless they are short, mention his name a lot, include graphs and maps, and bullet points.
So, enlighten me Lio, where do you get your news from that could possibly make you think these two diametrically different people in every single way except they are/have been president are the same same.

 

If we're being perfectly honest here, the best reason to buy a Tesla is because they are just so damn cool.

I mean, have you seen the acceleration on those things? And they're quiet, too. It's like driving something out of a spy movie.

 

I was woken up by a a call to go into work on my day off after just having spent two extra hours late just to feel like I accomplished something before my weekend. I didn't read your whole wall of text but I saw your comment about Oboma biggest scandal being mustard and I had to say something. Bengazi. IRS Attacking Political Enemies. The *squee!*ing leaks that are coming out about the *squee!*ing Russian crap is because his last minute executive orders gave information to people who shouldn't have had it in the *squee!*ing first place. I'm half a sleep and so forgive me if I'm irritateted, and spelled crap wrong, but you can't *squee!*ing call Trump out for his stupidity and *squee!*ing ignore the crap that happened under Obama's watch.

 

And thats why you should have read my post. I didnt say that was his biggest scandal dude, I said thats what "scandal" was going on AT THIS TIME in his presidency. Also, Benghazi was a manufactured scandal, 8 investigations, mostly from Congress, cleared Obama and the State department of any wrong doing as the shortfalls in security were part of budget cuts that werent supposed to happen (the sequester)..Also, the IRS didnt attack political enemies of Obama. Yes, they investigated conservative groups for improper filings, so what? Also, the hell you talking about with the russia stuff? Trump has been under investigation since last June for connections between his campaign and Russia, or is the FBI not allowed to investigate stuff?
And you know why there's leaks? Okay, 1: there will ALWAYS be leaks, 2: people leak because they arent happy, and 3: why does it matter if they are leaking??? Its leaks about criminal activites. If it wasnt for leaks, Flynn, who by now is all but for certain a Russian and Turkish stooge, would still be in the White House. And Im NOT ignoring what Obama did, but this is a TRUMP THREAD, and you have to admit, Obama didnt do half the idiotic things Trump has done, especially with critizing our allies and arguably sacrificing the US' world power for absolutely nothing.
So I understand youre frustrated and tired with work, but if youre going to get mad at me, READ WHAT I POSTED DUDE