The Rep System

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  1. greyOne

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    What is the Rep System?
    The Rep System is a simple system for keeping track of notable acts by a user on the Forum.
    Typically reputation (Rep for short) is given to users by other users when they post something that
    is noteworthy (ie. A very meaningful or helpful post),
    However, users do give each other rep for a variety of other reasons.
    When a user gives another user Rep, the recipient will receive a number of points of rep.
    Or, at least, it was. When it still was.

    How does gaining Rep reflect on my account?
    As you accumulate Rep, you will begin to get gems - first purple, then green and then finally, red -
    which can be seen under your Name and Title.
    Gaining Rep has no mechanical effect on your account, but it does help others to trust your
    insights and opinions, after all; you got the Rep for doing something right.

    As mentioned before, Rep shows up as gems under your account Name and Title,
    but the number of points you own can be Found under 'My Profile' -> 'Reputation'.

    • You start with 10 points of Rep (2 purple gems).
    • You get a purple gem at 11, 16, 21 and 26 points of Rep.
    • You get a green gem at 31, 41, 51 and 61 points of Rep.
    • You get a red gem at I believe 71 points of Rep.

    How do I give someone Rep?
    When you see a post you believe is deserving of Rep, simply click the
    little treasure chest icon under that post.
    You will be prompted to confirm that you want to give user Rep,
    and can leave a comment with the Rep if you wish.
    It should be noted that you should make sure you click the 'I approve' button,
    Doing otherwise may not count towards their total. (According to ePONYmous).

    You cannot give someone rep twice consecutively,
    You have to throw your rep around a bit.
    There is also a limit on how much rep you can give out in 24 hours.
    If you try to give too much rep, you will receive an error message.

    How much Rep will the person get?
    The amount of Rep a user receives is based on the post count of the user that gives them the Rep.
    The higher their post, the more Rep the user will receive.

    When you give a user Rep the amount of Rep they actually receive is:
    Rep given = 1 + ([your post count] / 1000 rounded down).

    Is there a limit on how much Rep you can get?
    Yes. However this system doesn't limit how much Rep you can receive.
    According to ePONYmous, this is actually throttled not by how much you can
    receive, but how much you can give.
    Normally, when you receive rep, it will show up on your Reputation Tab on your Profile page.
    If the Rep counts towards your total Rep count, it will have a green dot beside it.
    If it doesn't count towards your total Rep count, the dot will be grey. (Neutral Rep.)

    How can I check if I've gotten Rep?
    There are 2 simple ways to check if you've received Rep.
    Firstly, you can click the little treasure chest (The one that normally gives others Rep)
    under your post to see if that post received Rep. It will also display your total Rep count.

    The Second way to see your Rep to go to your Profile page.
    You can get there by clicking 'My Profile' -> 'Reputation'.
    Here you will see any and all Reputation that your have accumulated.

    Note:
    I posted this because I have now seen about 4 people confused about how the system works.
    If I've made a mistake anywhere, feel free to correct me!


    Thanks for the help ePONY!
     
    #1 greyOne, Nov 18, 2011
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  2. Double Rainbow "Dash"

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    I remember about us having a discussion about this. Yeah, I'm sure red gems are every 15 points. Not sure until someone gets the next gem.
     
  3. ePONYmous

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    Interesting thread. I'd like to make a few comments.

    Not entirely true. The notion of "meaningful or helpful" is very subjective. There have been members, including myself admittedly, that have been given reputation just for the sake of being given reputation. Not for posting something "helpful" or "meaningful."

    Perhaps, but I want to make something perfectly clear here for other members. DO NOT USE THIS AS A GUIDE FOR OTHERS TO HELP TRUST YOUR INSIGHTS OR OPINIONS. One of the biggest flaws in the system is that it's highly exploitable. As I mentioned, someone can +rep anyone for anything, it does not necessarily imply someone is more trustworthy than someone with less reputation. I'm not saying this because I have a red-gem. I've always said that reputation is not really that important and should never be taken seriously. It should also be mentioned that red is not the final gem. There are others, and I've seen them, but I don't know exactly when they're supposed to appear.

    The last bullet is incorrect. You get a red-gem once you get 71 points. Each purple gem can hold up to 5 points each, while a green gem holds up to 10 points each. As of right now, it's unknown to me how much a red-gem holds. However, it follows the same numbers you have provided.

    It should also be noted that you may want to make sure you click the "I approve" button, even if it appears to already be selected. I've had cases in the past that when I didn't click it, I accidentally gave neutral (gray) reputation.

    Yes, this is correct. Although, the algorithm can be expressed another way, as the thousands place + 1. (i.e., 1,415 posts = 1 + 1 = 2 reputation power), but your formula works just as well.

    This is correct, but the description is a bit erroneous. There is NO LIMIT on how much you can GET, but there is a limit on how much you can GIVE. There are two limiters: Amount and Time.

    Amount: You cannot give the same member rep twice without spreading rep around to others. If you attempt to do this, you'll get an error telling you that you must spread the reputation around a bit more.

    Time: If you give too much rep in 24 hours, you'll receive an error message explaining such. The gray dot doesn't mean you've reached some "rep cap." It means someone gave you neutral rep (presumably by mistake, but that may or may not be the case).

    Duly noted. Thank you for trying to elaborate on the reputation system for any members that may have had questions. :)

    No, this is not the case. Someone has already obtained over 30 points after obtaining a red gem and another hasn't appeared yet. I'm sure it's much higher. 50 or 100 perhaps? Only time will tell.
     
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    Who was I supposed to rep again? Eh, doesn't matter! *Insane Laughter*
    I find the reputation system to be just fine, so I'm not going to say anything much, besides the fact that Red Gems are somewhere in the 50-100 area.
    Sure, I (Along with 6[?] other people here) have a few more pixels of rep than most here. But that doesn't matter, it shouldn't be used as a gauge of ones Competency/Dependancy, as it is so blatantly put here.
    The Rep System is a system for people who believe that hat the guy said was Funny, Intelligent, Inspiring, Serious, etc. etc. and ergo, they are rewarded with 16 (Or so) pixels every 10-50 reps.
    If anything, it's more of a show of how much people agree with you, not how influential you are.
    But the gems are cool. And Shiny. A lot of people like Shiny.
    Ergo, the Shiny Gems convinces others that we're the big shots (And with the exception of ePONYmous) which is entirely not true.
    Only thing I can think of is when you hit a certain Rep Count, you should be able to come up with a unique title instead of having a shiny red gem.
    Deadpoolicious.
     
    #4 Saikyo, Nov 19, 2011
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    Very true, I also like the current rep system, but I honestly don't care about how much I have or what's shown, like Saikyo said, they're just colored pixels. :derpe:
     
  6. MattyJei

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    Ah, the reputation system. I think it's a great way to share with people what you feel about how they wrote something in a thread. It's also a good way to share a compliment and make them feel good.
     
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    Gems? Yes, yes, I must acquire them ALL! Mwhaha!

    In all seriousness, the system is a fun little diversion but reputation does not always go to those that post thoughtful or meaningful posts. I got two rep points from my post in the Skyrim thread of me simply posting a hilarious picture of Fluttershy and Spike, not really meaningful eh?
     
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    I did get a number of them for my "T" thread because people thought I was brave for coming forward with it.

    It's nice to feel validated like that. :3
     
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    @Snowy

    Beyond that;
    Rep is likely an unsigned byte stored in some SQL table bound to your account's GUID.
    For the most part, rep and gems are like stickers;
    It's nice to get them, but they don't make you anymore of a person.

    @ePONY

    Thanks for the help!
    I'm less confused now, hopefully others are as well.

    @MattyJei

    Very much so. It's also a good way to make friends!
    However it's also, apparently a medium for being trolled. :/

    @Chap

    I no longer even try to understand motives behind rep being given.
    But you want gems?
    Get posting!

    EDIT:
    @MattyJei Post #2

    Rep is always nice to receive.
    I though actually find it more rewarding to give.
     
    #9 greyOne, Nov 21, 2011
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    Now that I understand how the system works, I'll be giving them out more often myself. :3
     
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    Likewise! Thanks for this post, greyOne. Very helpful!
     
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    Thanks be to ePONYmous as well! ^_^
     
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    I agree with this.

    That's one of the banes of the reputation system's existence. The definition of "meaningful" varies by person. For example, I've been +repped for simple things, and even +repped for the sake of being +repped. I think I've been +repped more for my simple stuff than any of the walls of text I've posted. I guess my stuff really is tl;dr, as in some really don't read it. Heh. Oh well, I can't say that I blame them. The biggest problem is rep-trolling. For those that don't know, rep-trolling is the process by which a member is +repped continuously (sometimes by the same member), for the sole purpose of moving them up the ranks. It's happened to me, and others. This is why I say don't trust the pixels above the avatar. It is not a measure of one's real reputation. I can already tell you there are members on here that only have purple crystals and they're more reputable, and have posted more meaningful things than I have.

    I'm not saying the system is bad, I'm just saying it's not essential, and can be misleading. To be honest, if I saw it disabled, I wouldn't miss it. I'm sure people on the forum have an idea of who the real reputable members are.

    My point is this; although it's a great way to express approval of a post and leave a comment about it, it shouldn't be taken as a way to measure real reputation, nor a way to measure one's importance or value of contributions.

    In a way, it's analogous to the post-count fallacy. One's post count doesn't make one member better than another. One can post 1 really well thought-out post, and someone else can post 1,000 one-liners (Hypothetical numbers and not implying anyone fits this example). At the end of the day, they're just statistics, and in this case, stats that shouldn't be taken too seriously.

    You're welcome. ^_^

    Thank you! :)

    Aww, quit it. *blushes* Thanks! ^_^
     
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    Or a mix of both!
    Anywho;
    Thanks for the rep,
    Albeit I still don't get why
    I got it!

    And coming back to the topic at hand;
    As I have said before,
    Rep is just a number stored in an SQL table.
    Nothing more, nothing less.
    It's no way to judge a person,
    Especially with people like DRD around whom give 7 points of rep in one go!
    As such,
    Rep is best a measure of how often you said something
    That made people do possible something along the lines of this:
    "This overcame my laziness of pressing the rep button. I will rep this person."
     
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    I think all I'm good at is the one-liner posts! Seriously though, I don't see any problems with the rep system. I just hope it doesn't go to anyone's heads like it would for me.
     
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    Just wait until 9,000+ posts.

    Ultimate Rep-Troll.
     
  17. greyOne

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    Also easiest way to grind rep.
    Easier than even running Heroic PUGS.

    What's easier?
    Running a Heroic difficulty dungeon with a group,
    OR
    Posting TwiDash?
     
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    I know quite a few people who've been doin' one-liners. Ke ke ke...
    Anyways... I find people who post well thought out and intelligent posts get more rep from me than others, mainly because I find that they deserve it.
    Do 16 x 24 pixels really matter?
    Yeeeaaaahno.
    I know firsthand what it's like to be Rep-Trolled.
    Certain members would know what it's like too. And, unlike most people, I absolutely; HATED; being rep-trolled.
    If it came down to me, the Rep System should be revised a bit. I don't know how, but revised.
    (Praying for custom titles here.)
    And...
    Dammit, ePONY, the wait on that pic is killing me. I think you know the one.
     
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    I on the other hand am rather liberal
    With the rep I give.
    Anything that in my mind sends an agreeable image,
    Is in my mind also worth the rep.
    Partially because I place little value in rep itself.

    Anywho;
    If I could have one thing changed about the site,
    Firstly;
    I'd have max rep given capped at 4 or 5,

    And secondly hide users' post counts.
    I find that it is an inconsequential number.
     
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    Everyone knows that they want a gem whether they like it or not. If they get rep-trolled or rep'd randomly, they should just deal with it.

    The system should stay the way it has been, I'm not sure but I think I've seen many other forums have the same system of +rep than we do.

    Then the forums would be pointless, and this is about rep. Not post count.

    Whatever. :derpe: Do what you think you want them to do. It's up the the higher up's decision anyways.
     

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