Is America getting worse?

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  1. Gabachi

    Gabachi The Most Unjunior Member

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    Typically, with liberal politics you get more country pride and more power to the government and middle class, which can can open up many opportunities for people. In extreme cases like communism, the government can have too much control over the people and control the whole economy.

    With conservative politics, it focuses on more power to people who have usually earned it. The rich. This drives more people to become rich. It's not always that easy, but it works to an extent. In extreme cases, the rich can overpower the government or take over if the government falls, widening the wealth gap. This can create things like the serf system seen in the Dark and Middle Ages.

    Now the problem I generally have with some conservative politics and churches is that they say America is getting worse and God will punish America like he did with Soddom and Gamora (sorry if I spelled those wrong) because of gay rights and homosexuality was prevalent in these ancient cities. Now the question is, how come he didn't strike Rome down immediately? Homosexuality was socially accepted in Rome for centuries and it lasted longer than any other empire in human history.

    Some people say that he did strike Rome down. The thing is though, they were facing another problem. All of their water was carried by lead pipes. Some speculate that this caused the fall of the Western Roman government and shortened the duration of the Western Roman empire by centuries.

    On top of this, Rome became the christian capital of the world in the third or fourth century.


    Weird theories man. Especially considering trends show that we are in fact heading toward a trend of moderate politics and more equality for everyone.


    The future looks bright and lovely for everyone.
     
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    Neither left or right politics are perfect. Left means culture and economy are destroyed if done wrong, and right means angering sections of the public.

    To be honest, I've always hated US politics. Congress and the Senate are full of morons.

    So. The best way to go is exact centre.
     
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    Depends really on what happens, I feel that the greatest threat to freedom as of now is legaslation like SOPA. But if gay marriage do get legalized I think there is hope for America.

    I am a supporter of gay marriage for obvious reasons.
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    As a student of theology, I do not believe homosexuality is a sin, in fact, only Paul mention it in the new testament. Jesus himself does not say a word of that. And in the case of Paul, the word used could also mean male pedophilia.

    As for Sodom, the people in that city raped any man coming into the city according to the old testament. A far stretch from the loving relationships of today.

    I believe that the greatest threat to America is the extreme religious right and corporate control. To solve this we should promote moderate religion and consumer rights.
     
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    I agree. There's certainly things I like from both sides. Moderate politics is the way to go.

    That's why I'm going obama. c:
     
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    I think the internet has helped a lot with keeping the balance between both sides in the eyes of the public, but the two parties themselves are as divided as ever, in my opinion.

    "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." -John Adams

    Agreeing with the founding fathers, I think the two party system has been nothing but a detriment to America, and should be eliminated. That whole "a nation divided cannot stand" thing.

    We should be supporting new ideals, and new plans to make America a better place to live, not picking between two groups that have held onto a set of nearly unchanging ideals in a constantly changing world. That's why it sickens me to hear people say that voting independent is throwing your vote away. Aren't you throwing your vote away by coping out, and picking the people who have been in power for decades, trying, and failing to improve America by using the same tactics over, and over again? You can't change a country by doing the same thing over, and over again, and expecting the results to somehow be different. That's the very definition of insanity.

    Either get rid of the whole "party" concept, or get on the ball and start making personal voting terminals for every American citizen so we can vote on our laws the way we want to, instead of being forced to elect someone who is supposed to somehow stand for the feelings of hundreds of thousands of people, when time, and time again they simply don't get the job done.

    /rant
     
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    I don't like the main runners in the election. Romney is incredibly ignorant, and Obama loves debt.

    Both are rightist, too.
     
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    Politics AND Religion are very touchy topics for many. I am voting Obama for several reasons... Paul Ryan comes from my state and I am so embarrassed by that.
    Obama at times looks bad, some don't see improvement and forget that he came into office with a messed up country and to fix it will take a LOT of time... then you have Governors like Scott Walker who makes a state even more messed up, says he creates jobs when many of them are just rotated jobs. (Older workers lose their jobs younger ones gain those jobs).

    With religion there will always be those who will go extreme and say the whole country will burn for gays and war and yada yada yada.
    I believe if I don't wish to have my rights limited either should other people have theirs, like those who are homosexual and want to be married.
    I'm also for freedom of abortion... which can be linked into this topic.

    What's wrong with this country is GREED, politicians are bought out and the rich get richer, poor get poorer. Obama fights with congress/senate because there is no balance within them... ones dem the others repub.
     
  8. Valkyyria

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    What I really dont understand is why tehre are only two parties...
    I mean okay on some extrend i can understand that. we habe in germany like a hundred parties, but you are only "important" if you have crossed the 5% barrier. Like 2 years ago i thought we were like america, we dont have two partys but 4 and there will never be a change to it cause people complain about politicians and the just elect the same party every time.
    And suddenly pirates.

    By now they already have outdone one of the bigger parties ad when the next big election is on i think germany will get a little more freedom.

    And also i must say i dont think its only america that gets worse. Its like the whole world... its everywhere. We cant even imagine properly sometimes. There are countries, where women are not allowed to leave the house without a male "guard". If you say the wrong things you can get killed in china.
    Well... You know, when we talk about such things im a pessimist :D
     
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    Well, what I think is truly hurting America right now is the whole 'My way or the highway' type attitude that is especially prevalent in Republicans. America, and just about any other democracy, are founded on the principle of compromise, giving a little from both sides that the whole might benefit. A perfect example of a compromise that might have worked, but didn't because of Congress' current attitude was the plan that would have removed 4 trillion dollars in debt and deficit in the next ten years, it was a plan that Obama and Boehner agreed with, but because it included a ratio of spending cuts to tax raising ratio of 5 to 1 I believe, House Republicans shot it down.

    So, I guess a TL;DR format of this is: Moderation, Middle, Compromise.
     
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    A country founded in fear usually doesn't hold all that much potential, though America seems to have sidestepped this partially.

    That being said, the country has always been in a crappy state, excluding a few rare moments of time, and even then things were hectic. The fact that it's in bad shape is just more prevalent in this day and age.
     
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    A country founded around freedom,
    Yet somehow lacking the said trait is something to itself.
    Especially since it's not immediately obvious to be the case.
     
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    A slight mention that the America's does not mean just the United States of America. Since I despise discussing politics over the internet, I'll say that history repeats itself. Science is that. I will try not to get into a religious debate either, but I do not believe that some allmighty entity chose to rid the world of a certain group, either way.

    The US health system is... sketchy at best. I do not understand it very well, but many say that it will be the spark to light the fire.

    At most, I believe that civil war will eventually rip us apart.

    As posted above, their is no direct answer. A society with no laws or a society with collectivist views is a dystopian society in my eyes. The problem is you should let the people have their freedom, yet how much should we have?

    I believe that our country was not founded on fear or freedom. Though as stated before, I'm an Atheist, but I believe our country was founded on strict religous views. Do your history, the sewing circles talked. A LOT. Salem anypony? Might I mention that when the slave trade came around was when our country really hit a nice point in history where we experienced rapid growth?

    I apologize my post jumped around as much as it did.
     
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    My priority is the economy so I can get a job. So you can get a job. So we can afford to pay for our oil. To legalize Marijuana and potentially other drugs, taxing them and crippling the Drug Market for gangs instead of wasting tax dollars imprisoning people who posess it.
     
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    I have a feeling that the next American Civil War will be kicked off in Texas, and soon. I am completely serious when I say talk of secession in Texas is an everyday topic. And if Texas leaves, that will likely cause a spark that will spread through other independent minded states, but this time, Texas would likely remain on its own.
     
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    Is that like how Quebec tried to break off from Canada?
    And then the government threw money at it,
    So it stayed.

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    Not quite, you see, Texas still has a LOT of leftover pride from its time as the only recognized independent nation to become a state, AND being the only Confederate state that didn't end the war with mass Union holdings inside it, despite three major invasions. Also, Texas has the infrastructure and economy to become its own nation.
     
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    The Salem thing happened in 1692, almost 100 years before the founding of the USA. And the founding fathers themselves stated with no uncertainty that the country was not founded on Christianity or any religion.
     
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    Think it's bad now, lets see what happens if Mitt gets the presidency. It seems Mitt doesn't understand why you can't open airplane windows during flight. Sounds like a good president.
     
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    This election year is completely out of control, but on the bright side, The Daily Show/Colbert Report is wonderful for calling out everyone on their bull.
     

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