NRA and KKK Comparisons

I heard the KKK counter protested the WBC, evil is always relative.

 

I never thought of the NRA to be similar to the KKK. My dad and his family are a part of the NRA and very pro-gun, yet they are black (African American), but I do know there are racist gun owners and NRA members.

Terrible that people have to be racists and/or homophobic, I have experienced both despite I am not gay (many people thought I was and I've been called the F word a lot). I am not against gun rights, but I believe there needs to be more education about guns as well as tougher laws for people who commit crimes. After the tragic news I heard yesterday, I wish people would only use guns for hunting and if they are REALLY in danger, not just cause they think someone is dangerous.


Also wish there was more education and understanding of ppl who are different in any way.

 

Hmm in Australia, the KKK is still somewhat actually around unfortunately, though these days they are called the White Knights, Different name but exactly the same message, Though they are more brazen and out there with their advertising, a friend of mine from my Kingdom Hall (I'm a Student Jehovah's Witness), has been letter bombed (in other words, they have stuffed their propaganda in his letterbox) by them on numerous accounts. He has even seen them around wearing their get up and stuff... Though people would confuse the Knights Templar with them (and I s'pose I can see why) as-well... So, the KKK is around still, just by a different name. Sad really...

 

Never thought Australia would have them. But I did hear that Australia has a good amount of racists, not as much as parts of America though. I have a friend in Australia who is half-Asian and is gay and he told me that Australia is very homophobic, never knew that :/.

 

Yeah, it's the same in Australia. There are good parts and bad parts of Australia. I'm not necessarily homophobic, I just don't agree with homosexuals behaviour/actions, but that's just me. But yeah, depending on the area you are in, the degree of homophobia and/or racism varies. But there is no where, and I mean NO WHERE you can go to get away from it. Sadly.

i should mention that the baptists and Pentecostals ( evangelicals in general actually ) are the worst in Australia when it comes to homophobia and racism.

 

I didn't realise these 'White Knights' even existed, Australia is surprisingly racist/homophobic/sexist place though, however I can also see that things are heading in the right direction.

As for the the whole NRA/KKK stuff well I know what the initialisms stand for but that's about as far as my knowledge goes, so I don't have much to say on the matter.

 

The Ku Klutz Klan or KKK were/are a group of racists who were really big from the 50s to the 90s. They were also a political power and claimed to be Christians. Two thins: the song 'killing in the name of' by rage against the machine is about the KKK and there's a bit about how when the KKK was apparently abolished the NRA was started, in the doco Bowling For Collumbine. The NRA is the official group for those who love their guns. Funnily enough Charlton Heston was Moses in the original Ten Commandments film, yet he is nothing of a Christian, in fact he is the complete opposite of Christian.

 

The KKK wasn't abolished. It's still very much around.

 

The KKK are just doing what they think is right for the country. Granted, they're all delusional nutjobs (Well, 99% of them) but their heart is set on making the country a better place.
Hell, I have a rather racist neighbour, whom, while I don't agree with his racist sayings, is very intelligent and has a great way of thinking about the economy and life.

We need to stop demonizing all of these organizations; a lot of these people were born and raised with these mindsets. You should blame their parents/grandparents/whatever for teaching them this.

 

In what way is it demonizing to dislike an organization because of its official platform?

Also, yes, they learned it from their parents, who learned it from their parents, who learned it from their parents, and so on. They are also teaching their kids. It's not like they have no responsibility for their actions.

 

I moreso mean the people who think everyone who is a white supremacist/in an anti-black organization is an inherently evil person.

 

I certainly wouldn't say that those people are "inherently evil", because I believe all human beings have equal capacity for what any individual may perceive to be good or evil (it depends on your point of view). That said, from my point of view the KKK are a terrible group with awful teachings who have committed terrible crimes/immoral actions in the past. You would be correct in saying that there is a spectrum of KKK and white supremacists. Judging them from my perspective based solely on their views of a single matter, those are all bad people. They don't have to be that way to everyone else; I just avoid them for that reason. Once they cross the border from thinking things that I deem immoral to doing things I deem immoral, the game changes.

Of course, by "immoral", I mean everything from saying hateful (racist) things to minorities to murder.

If someone is a racist, that is wrong. End of story. They don't have to be "evil" necessarily, but they are wrong for thinking that way.

 

Speaking of Rage Against The Machine's "Killing In The Name Of" song, I so want to do a cover of that, but change the lyrics to "Some of those who burn crosses, are the same that hold office". And "remember the laws, that you shall abide". For some reason, this thread really made me think of my future cover. My aunt thought this is an offensive song cause she thought it was promoting white supremacy, but it is actually against it. RATM has a lot of left-wing views and it's expressed in their songs and lyrics. Plus Tom Morello (who is the guitarist and most popular member) is half black.

 

Well, now that we've explored the KKK's beliefs, back to the NRA's beliefs. Where "the only way to stop a badguy with a gun is to have a goodguy with a gun."

The base similarity between the NRA and the KKK is their off-canter line of thinking:
NRA believe that everyone should be armed and trained so they can "defend themselves."
KKK believe that the white race is the supreme race.

There are a number of arguments against both of these. Far more than there are for either of these.
The NRA clearly hasn't paid attention to the news when criminals have been stopped by simple acts of kindness.
Nor did they really say much when a bystander tried taking out a badguy with a gun and accidentally shot the cop instead. Not everyone needs a gun, it's a judgement call thing for stopping badguys. I leave this up to the professionals.

As for the KKK... it's like picking a horse breed and saying that it's "the supreme breed." Each different type of human is a different breed. We all do have some different qualities, strengths and weaknesses... and that's not a bad thing to be conscious of, but that shouldn't give us any less in the means of rights.

 

What was that one meme? If being white is your greatest accomplishment, I have some bad news for you.

Now that I got that out of my system, there is no way the KKK and the NRA are even slightly similar, and his reasoning is ridiculous. Sounds like some one is just trying to get some one else's goat. And undoubtedly succeeding.

Personally, my view goes like this: The main problem isn't that "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" (Yes, they do, but having a gun makes it easier to do), but that we allow pretty much anyone to get as many guns as they want, with unlimited ammunition, and unless you don't need any training. If I wanted to drive a car, I have to get a license. Why? Because a car is dangerous in untrained hands. So is a gun. And I'd really don't understand what's the fuss over having, say, an AK-47. Why do you need that for hunting?!

And then there's the whole mental health issue. There's so much of a stigma attached to it, that people refused to admit they have a problem, or that their child has a problem. And then there's how expensive it is, and how little is covered by insurance - if any.

The NRA tries to focus the attention on you owning a gun. The only people I've heard saying, "The government's going to take your guns away!" has been the pro-gun lobby. While I'm sure some individuals might think that's a good thing, I don't know of any policy maker that is trying to take away all guns.

 

People are idiots. Guns don't kill people. I keep a loaded gun and it has yet to shoot me or anyone else who's come near it. Guns aren't the problem. People are just violent. We were killing each other long before the Chinese invented it.

 

Guns don't kill people, dads with pretty daughters do!

I support the 2nd amendment & I really doubt gun control is an effective answer. The issue with the NRA, is they are radical extremist that (like any radical) give others who fall under what they represent a bad name. I believe the image of gun rights should change, the NRA should not be either the poster people or embodiment of gun rights & the 2nd amendment.

As much as I no longer like Obama, I believe the NRA was very wrong to include his daughters in a commercial. They have a bigger reason to need safety than the average kid. And if Ted Nugent is the person they use as a symbol, then we should really give the NRA an ultimatum, to change their malicious image, or lose the authority that they have. Even most stable GOP members hate the NRA, a perfect example is George H Dubya Bush (he cancelled his membership).

There really should be a more reasonable gun rights faction that have some form of both a head and a heart.


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If guns killed people, why didn't we just send a box of M4's and M16's and M240 bravos and M249's to Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place? I mean if guns do kill people, then we should've done that.

Any how, comparing any political opponent to a faction or hate group is unjust. Its childish name calling, and no one in Washington can act like civil adults and discuss things and come to a bilateral agreement on which both parties give and receive.