Death Penalty (Don't read if your faint hearted).

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Is it cruel?

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  1. Na11

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    I am very sick of the death penalty, people get their lives taken away just because they did something bad.
    What if you failed a test?And perhaps, got "legally" killed?How would you feel? If your state allows the death penalty, did you know that the citizens are also responsible?And if they got the wrong guy, they just took away an innocents persons life?It's just a cruel as murder, that's exactly what it is.Whatever you think about, it unjust and evil to do such as thing, to anyone.No one deserves to die, even if they did something bad.Lives should be fully lived.
     
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    An eye for an eye leave us all blind. I get that. Also I do worry when it not 100% not flat out clear the person did it. But when it clear as day like Major Nidal Hasan, then that sucker should be dead. I'm sorry he for fitted his life when he took the lives of others. He shouldn't get a single appeal, there's not of drop of doubt he did it, he should be dead already and not wasting tax payer dollars.
     
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    I think that if you intentionally take innocent lives, you deserve to die. Of course we shouldn't execute somebody unless we know for sure they did it, but my view remains the same.
    Know what is cruel, though? Life in prison. Stabbing, and beatings, and rape, oh my!
     
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    Let's examine who's been executed in 2016 thus far, shall we?

    Oscar Ray Bolin Jr. - Raped and murdered three women, the youngest of whom was seventeen.

    Richard Masterson - Strangled a female impersonator to death during sex

    Christopher Eugene Brooks - Raped a woman, then beat her to death

    James Freeman - Shot a game warden who caught him poaching

    Brandon Jones - Killed a convenience store clerk during a robbery

    Gustavo Garcia - Killed a convenience store clerk during a robbery

    Travis Hittson - Beat, shot, and dismembered a man

    The victims of these men didn't want to die.
    Why should we care if the ones responsible for their deaths want to live?
    Why should they be allowed to live the life that they took from another?
     
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    There have been cases where people who were convicted beyond reasonable doubt were sentenced prior to new evidence being brought to light that proved their innocence. You can list off the most heinous convictions possible but that still won't alter this fact: a person who is sentenced might be innocent.

    You don't have to care about what they want (I do, but I realize you're not obligated to) but you're serving only the most arbitrarily constructed image of justice by killing them. Killing murderers doesn't bring their victims back. Even if we ignore the whole host of alternative systems that could be more productive than the death penalty, you're not really doing anything worth noting by offing those people. You're really not accomplishing anything that couldn't be accomplished without murder.

    Is that how you see it? If you're not "allowing" the guilty persons in question to live, are you "allowing" me to live just because I haven't done anything wrong yet? For me, I personally don't like living with a gun pressed to my head; regardless of what the person has done, I think it's unethical to elevate yourself as the arbiter of which humans are deserving of life.

    I've always been told to be wary of people who think little of killing for their ideals. If there was ever a slippery slope down a mountainside of unethical choices, it has to be that one. I'd caution you against looking for a reason to kill people.
     
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    Ridley isn't the only one for the death penalty here. While both Asmodeus included the caveat that the crime must be certain, we're still for it. Maybe in a perfect world something more productive can be done with these criminals, but this is far from a perfect world. In cases were we know the person is guilty, then we should stop squandering resources and end them. Again my example is Major Nidal Hasan, I'll take what the wiki article says about him pledging to ISIS with a grain of salt, but that does not change the fact that if he is let out he will likely kill again.
     
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    The end never justifies the means.

     
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    Alright, so if I'm understanding this correctly, those of you who are against the death penalty believe that no human life is more or less valuable than any other?
     
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    Oh god.
     
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    That contributed little.

    Now. Maybe I'm a bad person, but I don't think all life is precious. There are very bad people in this world. Did Saddam deserve to live? How about all the people Ridley mentioned? Just as valuable as someone like Martin Luther King?
     
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    every situation is different I don't think we should get rid of it as an option entirely.
    I also feel there isn't much use just adding more murder to a problem. I think in most cases they should have to live with what they've done and be as miserable as they deserve.
     
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    I'm actually saying that we shouldn't get to decide which life is or isn't valuable -- as I can see there being some prominent ethical concerns inherent in that decision -- so no, I don't necessarily believe that. I get to have my opinions on who and who not to like, and I do think that we need to have an appropriate level of response to all crimes, but I don't think death needs to be the consequence of my judgements nor does the death penalty qualify as an appropriate punishment. I also do not believe that the death penalty advances the state of things in any way that could not be accomplished without killing.
     
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    I fully support the death penalty for high level sex offenders, pedophiles, serial killers, and other high risk criminals—especially those with psychopathy.

    If they aren't stopped, they pose a real threat to innocent people. Not that I don't value their lives, but it's more than just doing something bad. More lives are taken keeping such criminals alive.

    There's people that don't feel empathy and lack the emotional depth normal people have. Psychopathy isn't curable.
     
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    I do agree on the front about serial killers and criminals that kill for the sake of killing, however I do not think sex offenders and pedos deserve it. A life time in prison maybe. It's more or less that I am not one who judges people, but I certainly can be and will be disappointed. However, I see people as their own individuals regardless and you are right that you cannot change people of this caliber. Though, since when was it really up to humans to change other humans or other beings in general? It maybe how I think, but only the person who makes their choices in life can change themselves for the better or worse.
     

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