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  1. Mister Asmodeus

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    This isn't the only reason people sneak in by any means. I can't confirm this from any personal experience because I'm 4th generation here, but obtaining US citizenship, or even a green card, is said to be extremely difficult.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=87996&page=1
    http://www.alternet.org/story/148088/why_becoming_a_legal_immigrant_is_next_to_impossible
     
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    @Ridley Wolf you seem to still be in that echo chamber (which is probably why they call it an echo chamber :derp:). People give you facts and citations. You refuse to accept them and call them opinions as you did to mine before. I don't see you backing up your claims with facts and research and actual verifiable data. But that's the great thing about facts - they don't care if you believe them or not, they just are.

    This is total hearsay, give us something to back up your claim and quantify "many".
     
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    It's not supposed to be easy.
    Allowing too many immigrants in floods the job market and drives down wages.
    The current system, while admittedly in need of work, was designed to make sure that only intelligent and competent people enter the country.
    People like Tesla and Einstein.
     
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    It's hard to cite sources, because a great deal of my knowledge of the subject comes from firsthand experience.

    I don't expect people to agree with me, I'm just giving the reasons why I think the way I do.
     
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    Not everyone coming here illegally is stupid or incompetent. People come here wanting a new start, a better life, a taste of that American dream we always boast. Then they come to learn that citizenship is damn near impossible to attain.
    I do understand why you think how you do. And I do hope you don't think I'm meaning to disrespect you. I have a lot of respect for you; you're very clearly an intelligent person. I just sorta disagree.
     
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    Oh, I know that not all illegals are bad (aside from the whole "breaking international immigration laws" bit), but to be perfectly honest, nearly all of the illegals that I work with are... well, to put it bluntly, they're a bunch of scumbags. But those are just the construction workers.

    And hell, I can understand why you think the way you do. Compassion is a good quality, even if I do personally lack it.
     
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    At least we have mutual understanding.

    Now. Personal experience isn't synonymous with data, by any means. Example. Most of the black people in my area are pricks. Whether it was the heavy Klan presence that existed here a few decades ago that taught them to hate whitey, or just general poor upbringing, I don't know. If I was going off personal experience, I would be racist. But I'm the polar opposite: I'm egalitarian. I understand that most black people aren't like the ones around here. Looking past my own personal experiences in my lowly town, I can see that every race has some awesome people, some average people, and some scumbags.
     
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    I need Trump so I can get into the military.
     
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    Alright this is gonna be fire storm so bear with me and be patient.

    As someone who's parents are immigrants, I like Trump. The media and people like to portray him like some sort of klansman but he's only against ILLEGAL immigrants. My parents are here legally and it annoys me how far people will go to defend illegals when my parents never took a dime in welfair and worked their way up. I'm also sick of having my race demonized for stupid reasons. No I will not appoligize for slavery, and I'm southern European descent. Southern Europeans weren't always considered white so no, I can't and won't "check my privilege".

    I also despise Bernie. If you want that sort of stuff just move to Venezuela. The government gives people free food, when they have any that is. If you want to tax companies at 90%, good luck because they'll leave elsewhere.
     
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    I'm not a registered voter, so I'm not voting for any of them.
     
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    I registered as an Independent, so I can't vote for Trump. I just don't feel okay with swearing loyalty to either party.

    I may just vote for him in the general elections to keep Hillary out.
     
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    How about this one from Trump?
    and then
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...urce=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
     
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    I'll agree that Trump is dead wrong about global warming, but nowhere does it say that Trump himself filed the permit. He runs a massive multinational corporation, which means that things like permit applications are handled by lawyers and business managers.

    He very likely never read the application.
     
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    So, the man who runs Trump International Golf Links Ireland doesn't know what Trump International Golf Links Ireland is doing?

    You want that person running the USA?
     
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    Huge multinational corporation.

    Billions of dollars a year.

    Tens of thousands of employees.

    Expecting one man to know every little detail of an operation that size is both unrealistic and unreasonable.
     
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    So, by your own logic... On top of all that, which he can't keep track of already, how is he supposed to be able to handle all the additional responsibilities of being POTUS as well as what he already has with his huge multinational corporation?
     
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    Uh... you're not understanding me, and I'm not sure you understand how large corporations work.

    Trump is a CEO. He's responsible for the important decisions.
    Little things, like the wording on a permit application, are delegated to his employees.
     
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    Why shouldn't Trump be responsible for what his company does? He is the CEO. When it boils down to it, he should take responsibility. That's why he's the CEO, to put people in place that he trusts. He assumes the responsibility with the power that the position takes. Or do you think it should be, "I'm the CEO, it's someone else's fault!"?

    Or has he hired the wrong people? And then, do you want that person who isn't judging people well to be the one responsible for appointing important positions in the government? If he can't find someone with his vision and values to make a permit application he agrees with, what makes you think he will choose more wisely when picking the Secretary of State? Or any ambassadors? Or the multitude of other cabinet positions he will be appointing?
     
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