A reasonable message from a hater.

Okay,I see his points, claiming that it can't be the best everything, but if you love something you put that thing above others. I love the green lanterns and I constantly will attempt when talking about them, make them the best of the best. So you, as well as others, put MLP as a golden ray of light shining through the crap that's on TV now.

Maybe he doesn't like to music, I find the music amazing, show or remixed.

The characters I love, not many characters these days that I can say I care about or feel any connection to.

The animation to me is top notch, so I don't care for supremacy in that category.

The story lines being targeted a younger audience, yeah I assume they would be since that is their target. None of the story lines are bad to me a love all of them. Some more then others, but that's to be expected.

As for what haters say, let them talk. I love the show, I will continue to love the show, community, and the people that are a part of it. If the haters will be reasonable, I will debate the show. If they hate for the sake of hating, they don't deserve a second of my time.

 

While the community is great. I would have still be the same person I was 3 months ago. If it wasn't for the show, I'd still be mostly friendless, hating myself, hating the world. The fact the the community is this great is a bonus to the show I love. If I ever was forced to leave here though, I would be deeply saddened. You guys have been the most super special awesome people ever.

 

Uwee hee hee!
I am enjoying this hate!
Don't let the haters get to you. I thought it was an excellent presentation. -2345Disciple


Yeah, that was me alright.

 

He's already expressed bias here, at least as far as music goes his point is null as it's presented with an understandable bias, most likely from someone who doesn't know any better. It's fairly easy to get into a spiral thinking that anything modern can never compare to the likes of Bach and Beethoven, especially if you don't know why that music is so well done in the first place, but the past sets the precedent for the future - it'd be a bit ridiculous to say that nothing will ever reach that same level of greatness or that no modern composers today will be the Bach of tomorrow.

Now that being said, it's not like the music from FiM is the greatest thing ever (not claiming it's up to the level of Bach, but is anyone saying it is?), I don't think anyone was claiming that, BUT as far as cartoon standards, and for that matter the majority of TV in general (I don't think it'd be a far fetched point to claim that in general more attention is paid to the soundtrack to cartoons then other medians targeted at older audiences aside from the more artistic shows), it's quite well done. Case and point, I can tell you now you still have Winter Wrap Up stuck in your head most likely (or I just reminded you about it and it's going to torment you for the next week or so).


So what's there to be learned?
Yeah, Bronies have a tendency to overstate how well the show's done, it's definitely not without fault.
Now I haven't watched your video all the way through so I'm not sure exactly what you claimed, but from my impression you never claimed it was as amazing as he's making you out to be saying it is in the first place, which is a fairly common misconception since it's not like ALL anyone here likes is ponies.

I'd just be happy that for once someone has presented a reasonable point aside from the normal "UR A FAAGOT" argument the rest of the internet gets, I can definitely respect someone who decides to voice their opinion in a calm, organized manner.

 

To put things into perspective:

The show flawlessly accomplishes its goals. To compare it to other shows in specific categories is WRONG.

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Fluttershy's mental state isn't comparable to Asperger's Syndrome. Intense social anxiety and bipolarity perhaps?

I wouldn't say Pinkie Pie even remotely has OCD. She probably has ADHD.

But really, diagnosing the psychological aspects of our favorite ponies is something else entirely.

 

People gush about shows they like all the time. If you really like something, it's inevitable you're going to want to talk about how much you love it, whether it's in real life or if it's online (which is one of the reasons I think forums like this exist). So, really, I don't see any problem with any of us talking about how much we love this show. I don't fault fans of things I've never seen before. In fact, sometimes their praise of what they're fans of is what convinces me to try it myself.

 

I hope you don't mind me saying tl;dr :derpe:

Still, it's very rare to see someone like that. 99% of the haters are blatant trolls, and some of those are even worse. Just look at this guy:

I'm going to spoiler tag this since it does contain some bad language.

Spoiler

[video=youtube;nwDfSKVlkX4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfSKVlkX4[/video]

 

What hell is a Brawny? Brawny paper towels? This guy is failing left and right

 

I like the "hater's" behavior. He was respectful in his approach and did not just outright scream *squee!* at the top of his lungs.

My take on the show is like this:

The music is quite good although the songs are still much geared to the younger audience the show was meant for hence it still retains its cartoon feel and is not something that a guy like me who loves anime is used to. When watching anime, I often hear J-rock or J-pop bands play their music and well, as a guy who plays in a band, I prefer it that way since I like to cover certain songs. But the music of MLP is not something to be frowned upon, in fact I find the songs and music well made and suit the show quite perfectly.

The animation is, well, not really the best in the world but for the show, its works the best it can. Why? Because the animation style is something that I do not commonly see and that attracts me to it. The way the characters are made is just amazing and I find that being rendered in flash did justice to the entire show.

Since we are bronies, we hold the show in high regard because we want others to appreciate it as well but as we may already know, there really are people who just won't accept it and must criticize until you run dry and they win.

But still, we must practice our conviction to love and tolerate the haters. +1 to you good sir for being civil and not lowering yourself to a "common hater" level of attitude.

 

I don't get it. It is just an entertaining show that surpasses a lot of expectations for the type of show it was meant to be and thus has a very specific appeal not found anywhere else. Not one characteristic of it is particularly mind-blowing, but it is the way it comes together. I don't think anyone is arguing that MLP:FiM is the Sopranos, Miyazaki, and Rachmaninoff rolled into one show. It isn't even my favorite television show. It just offers an experience that other shows do not.

 

Oh, sure, he may seem reasonable, now, but as soon as the debate turns against him, he'll likely turn to personal attack. He might be a Mike Wong, be careful, and don't reply to him if you haven't already.

As for my take on the show, the music appeals to me because it fits with the setting.

The show itself is a throwback to everything I love about cartoons. It takes elements from Looney Tunes, Cartoon Cartoons, and the *old* Cartoon Network, and wraps them all into one show. Sure the storylines aren't the best, but it IS geared towards children, and the characters are strong, and well developed. The cartoon actually feels fluid, and organic, and is, in itself, a work of art.

 

THIS is the response that I would have done. However, that lacks the seriousness I would have gone with.

>99% of the haters are blatant trolls

It is the 1% that can hate without being angry who are the masters of the wordwright's craft. Of this group spawn the worst trolls of all, so beware of falling in their trap.

As for the issue at hand, the thing is that the brony community is pretty much untrollable, or at least a large portions. Sometimes, this is because friendship is magic, and love and tolerance. Other times, it is because they are former, or still active, trolls.

In any case, this specific specimen has some ineresting points, and for the most part, they fall apart based on the fact that here, the only fight is his opinion against yours, or ours as the case may be. Anyways, on to another quote I need to reply to.

>I love the fandom more than the show to be honest.

This. The show, once it got far enough, stopped being the show. Anypony that is at all a member of the fandom has his or her share of headcannons they follow, and when you have been a brony for a while, you accumulate a veritable world of it's own, bases only partially on what the series shows, and for the most part things that other bronies have accepted as true even though it is uncofirmed, and likely to stay that way.

This means the world is malleable, ever-changing depending on the whim of it's master. This is, for me, the lure of this entire show.
That, and the community. (See community praise thread for details)