Double standards within society (gender)

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  1. Gabachi

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    So today we are discussing something nitty-gritty. Today we are discussing....double standards.
    Now, how I'm going to do this thread is I will ask questions to start off the conversation. I will probably answer my own questions in a few posts.
    So here we go!

    -What do you believe is the most prevalent double standard?
    -Is the workplace equal between male and female?
    -Do people ever use religion to justify treating one sex or the other unequally?
    -Why is it when a female dresses in "male" clothing it's "liberating" but when a man does vice versa it's considered "crossdressing" or "degrading"? Does this imply that there's something wrong with being feminine within our society?


    Here's some material to get us started. c:
     
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    1. Not sure if I can answer that because it's something that needs to be explained in detail.
    2. Absolutely not. I heard that a woman was fired for being too attractive, and the boss was lusting over her. Hunchback of Notre Dame much?
    3. Depends I guess, women always played the second class citizens.
    4. Nothing wrong, if a person likes a certain thing, you just have to deal with it. I like things that are dark, goth, and even metal. Mom hates that I like it so much to the point that she turns into a female dog about it. So it's not just about a guy dressing in drag, but also people being overly sensitive.
     
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    I'm going to light a match under this topic and get it going by pointing out quite possibly the silliest double standard I have seen to date.

    In the LGBTQ community, and I know some of you have seen this, there is actually a surprising amount of Bi+Trans Phobia/Erasure. To the point where people are told that bisexuals are told by straight people that they're just gay, and told by gay people that they're just straight, and both sides say they either are more likely to cheat or they just want an excuse to experiment. The same goes for trans people in which people refuse to acknowledge their correct gender and name and jump through ridiculous hoops to avoid doing so.

    You would think in a community that goes through a lot of hardship, that they would be a little more accepting instead of ostracizing their own.
     
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    What do you believe is the most prevalent double standard?

    Male sexual offenders get treated far more harshly than Female sex offenders. For example, a 19 year old guy that attended a training course for customer service was put on the sex offenders list for dating a 14 year old. That's forever on his record, No intercourse ever took place and there was no evidence that it did, the girl also denied any physical intercourse. The girl turned 15 within that week but she was still considered a minor. So there you go BAM sex offender for the rest of your life.

    And an article you can look up online is where a 40 year old woman sent graphic sexual pictures to her young underage sons' friends on their phones and what punishment did she receive? Community service, not on the Sex offenders list.
    Now what does that tell you?

    -Is the workplace equal between male and female?

    That depends on the boss/company really. I reckon in most modern establishments they are. Then again I wouldn't know precisely.

    -Do people ever use religion to justify treating one sex or the other unequally?

    Yes yes double yes. Every day on the news girls are being threatened to stay out of school, girls are being shot. But this is not in America, Eurpoe or America. Certain parts of Asia and Africa are terribly backwards and cling on to religion more than anything. They put many lives in danger for the sake of it.

    -Why is it when a female dresses in "male" clothing it's "liberating" but when a man does vice versa it's considered "crossdressing" or "degrading"? Does this imply that there's something wrong with being feminine within our society?

    I hate this. I hate this so much. It's unfair and I wish things were different. I love hermaphrodites and all genders, trans, multigendered or otherwise, so It's extremely pathetic that men wearing females clothing is linked to sexual devience and fantasy. What if they just like wearing it? It's their fashion, not a statement of devience!
     
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    Sinderlocke and Zephyr make some excellent points.

    -What do you believe is the most prevalent double standard?


    Most prevalent? The backlash to and from Feminists. An example is required.

    Ex: Miley Cyrus' performance at the VMAs.

    Miley Cyrus gave a performance at the Video Music Awards that prompted feelings of disgust from many people. Her hyper-sexualized dancing and allusion to pro-rape ideologies and inequalities between races and sexes was met with remarks of how awful her performance was. The problem? Those remarks were met with equally loud-and-proud backlash from supposed Feminists who said that, if Robin Thicke had the right to partake in that dance, so too did Miley Cyrus and therefore she did nothing wrong. However, neither Robin Thicke nor Miley Cyrus should have their actions expunged from the record, as if to say that one offense justifies another unrelated offense. What they did was indisputably a breach of the code that Feminism seeks to uphold and cannot be ignored with a simple tu quoque argument.

    My point? There is an incredible amount of confusion surrounding the identity of Feminism. Returning to the original question, it might be more accurate to say this: I believe the largest (and worst) double standard -within gender in our society- is any general statement that says a man may do what a woman may not and the woman must be ridiculed for attempting it, when in reality the actions of the man are equally immoral. This may work in both directions, with either gender breaking out of cultural norms.

    -Is the workplace equal between male and female?

    No, but not just because of the inequities in pay. There are also double standards on what kinds of clothing are acceptable (see point #4).

    -Do people ever use religion to justify treating one sex or the other unequally?


    Absolutely.

    -Why is it when a female dresses in "male" clothing it's "liberating" but when a man does vice versa it's considered "crossdressing" or "degrading"? Does this imply that there's something wrong with being feminine within our society?

    Well, it used to be considered degrading for a female to wear male clothing. That changed over time, and so a more specific question might be "Why have our perceptions of what is okay for women changed, when our perceptions of what is okay for men have not?" I can't go further here without mentioning Patriarchy; one point that doesn't get talked about enough is the fact that, when Patriarchy idealizes men, it is hurting men and not helping them. When we indoctrinate boys into modernized rape culture we set them on the path to failure in their personal relationships.
     
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    -What do you believe is the most prevalent double standard?

    False equivalence. This was something that I was only made aware of a little while ago, but it's the idea that a half-naked man is inherently the same thing as a half-naked woman. While it may seem like the same thing, it grossly oversimplified the way each gender perceives their own sex and the opposite. Some characters are drawn to represent power. Kratos from God of War for example is not a character designed to be eye-candy for a female audience, but to give a male character a feeling of strength and power. Characters like Ivy from SoulCalibur aren't designed to give that same sense of power to the female audience but to give something sexy for the male audience to look at.


    -Is the workplace equal between male and female?

    This one is iffy because I know of two things. The first is that in certain industries men are paid more than women for the same amount of work. I also know that in an attempt to not look sexist, some companies prefer women over men. Being more or less self-employed I don't really know, I'm just going off what I read and what I've experienced in the past.

    -Do people ever use religion to justify treating one sex or the other unequally?

    Probably. Not mine though.


    -Why is it when a female dresses in "male" clothing it's "liberating" but when a man does vice versa it's considered "crossdressing" or "degrading"? Does this imply that there's something wrong with being feminine within our society?


    That last point is very interesting because I think there is. It seems that many people confuse a "strongly written" character in work of fiction with aggressive, stoic, and generally just kind of masculine (but still sexy, that's important :/) Femininity in western culture has always been played off as weak or silly, and thus gains a stigma of not being as good as being masculine. One of the reasons I love My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is really because of how the characters are written. The show's goal may have been to show that there's no wrong way to be a girl, but I think by extension they showed that there is no wrong way to be a person.
     
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    People freaked out when girls started wearing pants at first.

    Society prolly just needs a few more decades before we can wear skirts.
     
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    Well, although technically it's not a skirt, the Scottish already are wearing kilts.
     
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