Me and My Characters

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  1. Lord Architect

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    I finally see the true nature of this place, or at least of the people here. Everyone here seems to have issues with me, or my characters. "They're too powerful, cut their power, change them, stop complaining about us telling you what to do with your thought processes." My characters were written in very specific ways for extremely specific reasons, and when I explain my characters and attempt to explain why I wrote them to be so powerful, everyone gets hung up on, "Gained powers innumerable.", without letting me explain the toll of these powers on the character, and how much they suffer due to their powers. Funny thing is, I've only been here four months and five days. That's all its taken for everyone to form opinions and criticize my characters. Even my most human characters have been criticized because they can use magic. Why?
     
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    It's not their power so much as their personalities.
    Your 'Arch' character, while obviously a "good guy," was also extremely condescending, a character trait that most people find distasteful.
     
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    It is also the power. Not singling anyone out, but within the past day, two people have told me, "Tone him down, too powerful".

    Can you, Ridley, please give me some examples of his "extremely condescending" nature?
     
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    You should probably mention or quote him so he sees it.
    Anyway. As I've said, my opinion, it's not extremely fun to play alongside a reality-warping character. I've explained that those characters tend to outshine others, and I've expressed my belief that that's not fair to other players.
     
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    I want to point out, Asmo, that anyone with magic can warp reality. But I do see the issue. But please keep in mind, Arch is like the Uncle or Grandpa, who is rich and likes to show it.
     
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    In his interactions with both Silver and Nightshade, he frequently talked about how he was so much more powerful than either of them, and how it would be impossible for them to match him.

    As characters created for high-powered combat RPs, both Silver and Nightshade are extremely powerful and proud, and thus would consider a character that persistently underestimates them to be an annoyance.
     
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    May I ask? When animals feel threatened, they make themselves seem bigger or more threatening in hopes of potentially frightening the threat away. Has anyone thought that Arch may be all bark and no bite, that he talks a big game, and has no way to back it up. The only way he had been visiting Equestria was when surrounded with a black mist to protect himself from a "law", did anyone think of how much strain it put on him? Perhaps if he wasn't under some stress he would've fought back and perhaps defeated Silver? So instead, he tried to make himself seem " bigger" to try to scare off Silver and Nightshade, to protect himself?

    I'm only asking.
     
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    No. Because you decided he was strong enough to send a 400 pound Az flying with a strike.
     
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    Magically enhanced strike....
     
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    Humans with magic. I think most people have distaste against that, as it can turn very OP, very fast.

    It's not always the character itself, but how you play it. Now, I've never rp-ed with you before, so I don't know how you rp. In another rp forum, I have a character that's rich, powerful, well-known, and has a great personality. Yet, nobody complains about her, because I play her with weaknesses. I have a character that's one of the higher-ranking Wonderbolts, was handpicked by Spitfire for the position, talked to Celestia, and ran a conference with the Princess. He has a marefriend, comes from a pretty decent family, and often talks to royals. It's not the character itself, but rather how you play it.
     
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    But still, it proves that there's bite.
    Let's also not forget there was an army backing him, strong enough to break a planet.
     
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    To add on to this, it's also your etiquette around the site that's concerning. The last example I was pointed to was you attempting to get into 'A World Beyond Sight' with a character deemed too powerful for the theme of the RP. I remember it being about exploring an island and it was deemed unfit for the tone of the RP. Fine, reasonable and well within the bounds of an RP GM can do. Often there's an idea of what is liable to be encountered and asking for a player to try another character is a reasonable request to ensure the RP isn't derailed or had the tension sucked out of it for some reason.

    Suggesting that those in the RP were attacking you and your characters comes off as petty when we've had this 'Woe is Me' thing for far too long to be reasonable.

    The bottom line is that people aren't enjoying the character. It's a difficult alchemy to get the hang of, frankly, but listening to feedback is the first step.
     
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    So, correct me if I'm wrong, get rid of him?
    Didn't we discuss this?
     
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    Oh, okay, I see the problem.
    You're looking at this from the Doylist perspective, and I tend to prefer the Watsonian viewpoint.

    I never really thought that hard about Arch's motivations, because from Silver's point of view, they wouldn't have mattered.
    Silver is extremely narrow-minded, so the moment he realized that Arch could be a threat, to him it meant that Arch was a threat.
    Additionally, Silver firmly believes that the wisdom and power of the princesses are absolute, so the appearance of a being far more powerful than Celestia or Luna was a serious blow to his worldview, which he naturally disliked.
     
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    No. You don't need to get rid of anything necessarily, it's about knowing your audience. There's places where super powered god like beings battle but there's no sense squashing a character like that into a story that doesn't suit it. Typically, it's actually better to create a weaker or even highly specialised character than something so multi-facieted, it could sneeze hard enough to wipe out entire city.

    Or at least think about how much of this internal struggle you're actually getting across when you write this stuff.
     
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    Yes. Architect, this is something I've tried to stress. I've even linked you to a place on Derpi where you can have your OC reviewed, and the member who most commonly does it is very kind and constructive. I've been trying, even through my bluntness, to help you.
     
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    There is no reason the character aught to be exactly the same in every RP, and really shouldn't be the exact same character in fact. There should always be changes made to fit into new world the RP creates seamlessly. Those changes aren't meant to be enforced on your original character or undermine their purpose in their original world. They should always be different characters, think of it like a multiverse. It's always just different versions of them all appropriate for their respective worlds.
     
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    Multiverses, heh. He travels them. He is the same.....that's just it......
     
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    well alternatively, does he have to be the same though?
     
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    Multiple versions of the same character can get rather tricky when the character has cosmic awareness.
     

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