Pro-Gun vs Pro-control Debate

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  1. Snow

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    With the shootings in Newtown, and with the media making such a big deal about it to try and make it a clause for increased gun control, what's your thoughts on it? Be prepared to back up your position with facts, because defending something purely on opinion is not productive in any way.

    I'll state my position on American guns, I think that the current laws are enough, so I'm pro-gun, there's just so many guns in America that even if they were banned, guess who would be the only ones with guns left? Criminals, that's who.

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    I would argue (despite being non american) that the people who claim that gun control is un american forgot one thing , It was written at a time when the best guns you would see were one shot, takes time to reload powder and musket ball rifles. We have astonishingly leaped forwards since that time, with guns that can shoot over 100 rounds per second, Wich really does say about how badly a gun law rewrite is.
     
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    And in order to get those weapons(if they aren't military) if you have to get a license that is very, very strict on who gets it, where you can use it, etc. Every weapon rated for civilians that doesn't require additional license is a semi-automatic, which is basically the slowest firing gun you can find nowadays without using those old-fashioned musket loaders.
     
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    Let's make firearms illegal.


    Criminals would never do anything illegal.


    That would be illegal.
     
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    Here in Australia we have very strict gun laws. What happens in America is irrelevant to me, but I think it should be the peoples choice.
     
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    I actually just saw this video today. It will shed the light on the difference in the types of rifles out there and the difficulty of this issue on either side. I think there should be a federal minimum on requirements to own a gun - background checks, etc. States should then be able to add on more requirements as each one deems necessary if any. But abolishing them would not solve the problems we have with them today.

    [video=youtube_share;yATeti5GmI8]http://youtu.be/yATeti5GmI8[/video]
     
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    i am sorry but i don't think you should be able to buy a gun like the bushmaster the shooter had. what is the government afraid of? that they are gonna get a few people mad? so what if a few get mad. thousands of Americans are killed buy a gun every year because of it. Want to know something? If i am correct there was only 8 people who died by a gun in England last year. if you want a gun for self defense get a handgun. if you want a gun to hunt just get a hunting rifle. you don't need assault rifles. so what if you are a collector, you don't need those weapons. you want to collect guns, collect handguns, hunting rifles, and maybe shotguns without the ammo. the shooters mom is foolish to have that kind of ammo. and now kids are dead because of it. sure it is fun to shoot at a range but like i said you don't need an assault rifle to do it.
     
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    Um, Shade, you do realize that the amount of deaths per year from guns in America is around 4,000? That may seem a lot, but look at the total US population, and the other ways people die every year, and you'll find gun-related deaths are actually EXTREMELY rare in America, just due to it's size do these things seem to happen a lot. Also, 50 smokers die for every 1 person killed by a gun, so, not trying to seem insensitive here, but the cold hard numbers do nothing but support the current situation on the guns laws. Oh and PS: Most gun deaths are from pistols
     
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    I am really neutral on this topic. I don't think guns should be banned but at the same time I don't trust people with them. Even if gunned were banned criminals will still manage to get their hands on them and then what are how are regular people suppose to protect themselves. If you really want to control guns the best you can do without angering a majority of people is make the process of buying a gun more complex. Such as a more in depth background check. But that won't stop criminals who are the people that shouldn't have them. Overall you can't really do much about this.
     
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    it still increses the number of pointless deaths. i have a friend who lived in england and he said that some people were scared about coming to the U.S because they were afraid they would get shot. and having big guns allowed here in the has made us number 1 in most people killed by a gun. Just look at Japan there are hardly any gun involved deaths there. still it is pretty stupid to let things like AK-47s in the market to be bought.
     
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    AK-47's are not legal in the US for civilian use as they are a military grade weapon, what you see is a less powerful mockup, much like the AR-15 and M16, they look about the same but fire completely different. And OF COURSE if you get rid of guns, gun-deaths will go down, but other ways, such as explosives(which mass-murderers would use if they couldn't get ahold of guns, and this kill LOTS more people) and knives and the like. And on your friend who was afriad to come to the US, that's just him letting a stereotypical view get the best of him. Remember, 4000 gun-related deaths a year vs a population of almost 350 million, odds are, you aren't gonna die at the end of a barrel.
     
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    does it matter
    as technology procedes further guns are gonna get deadlier. the odds are if gun control doesn't become tighter that there are gonna be even deadlier shootings than the one that happened on friday.
     
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    Pretty much the same way i feel.

    There are so many illegal guns out there are already, changing the guns laws will not make them just disappear.

    Changing gun laws would only make it harder to legally purchase a gun. It wouldn't change anything about illegal purchase.
     
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    but what they would be able to cut down some is that the guns were stolen and then used for murder
     
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    Well, then in that case, instead of treating the symptoms, why not solve the problem? Increase attention and funding to mental health facility and monitor people who show signs of following the 'Path of Violence'(which is a predictable predictable pattern nearly all mass-shooters follow in the months before they actually do something). Or, ya know, we continue to use these tragedies for political gain.
    You do realize there's about 320 million known/registered weapons in the US?
     
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    Guns are deadly enough now.
     
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    That's pretty much my entire opinion on this.
     
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    Afriad you're using outdated info there Rarit E, in 2011(just checked) around 8,000 people out of 14,000 were murdered with guns, and once again, using PER CAPITA, it is very small
     
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    That's still 8000 too many.


    I find it ridiculous that today's American gun laws are still based on the second amendment. A document that was written in 1791, a time when there was a very clear difference in society. Back in those days, owning a gun was more than reasonable. Nowadays, it's far from appropriate.

    The second amendment is the ONLY excuse America has for allowing citizens to own guns, and considering the document in question is over 220 years old, it's a poor excuse, in my opinion.

    Seriously, America. Grow up.
     
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    The Constitution is only what our ENTIRE government is based off of, think we should also get rid of that because a document written by the greatest political minds of the entire New World wrote in order to be flexible enough to last forever?
     

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