Thoughts on Elements of Harmony *Spoiler Alert*

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  1. Firetip Inspire

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    I've been thinking. In S1E2 The 5 elements were stone and the 6th a mystery. But Celestia and Luna used them to banish Sombra, Discord, and Luna. And Celestia ruled with the power of the elements of harmony. 1000 some years later Twilight is born with the respective representatives of the Elements of Harmony who eventually acquire them and save Equestria multiple times. Twilight's an Alicorn now, Meaning she's immortal and her friends will perish, leaving the elements without their representatives. and with only the four princess' (Twilight, Celestia, Luna, Cadence) to rule with the Elements of Harmony.

    Point is the representatives would all perish and leave Twilight alone. Or would they? See the Elements were stone. then broken, then the spark, then the elements turned out to be the Mane 6 themselves who all gain a pendant (and a tiara) representing that element. Could the Elements prolong the life of their representation to the point of immortality? And furthermore Why after so long with Celestia using them did they need 6 ponies to represent them? I thought maybe it's a cycle and every 1000 years or so they need a pony that represents them to charge them. I dont know, point is at some point something happened and the elements became useless. Not to mention Sombra, Discord, and Luna broke free showing the effects of the Elements wont last forever.

    What do y'all think?
     
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    well you're petty much right on everything and your theories could be valid. Its true the magic of the elements can't last forever ,but only when a user is lost. when Celestia banished Luna their bond with the elements started to fade along with the magic they used together. Once a bond of one of the representatives is lost, then all the bonds start to fade. you can't activate any of the elements if even one is missing. after the bonds fade to be to weak, they search for new representatives via destiny.
     
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    Forgive me if you find this uncouth, but I believe that this is not truth. While it's true the Princess pair did banish Sombra fair it's never said how it's done, though simply guessing is half the fun. The elements of which you say were not mentioned in any way, though I could be wrong as it's been quite long since I enjoyed that episode and song.

    Perhaps you have missed the boat so allow me to simply quote the words of Megan to this end: Point is the representatives would all perish and leave Twilight alone. Or would they? See the Elements were stone. then broken, then the spark, then the elements turned out to be the Mane 6 themselves who all gain a pendant (and a tiara) representing that element. Could the Elements prolong the life of their representation to the point of immortality?[/QUOTE]

    An interesting point I must agree, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I do not think the seasons will last to test that theory, still it's good to think of this for fanfiction and creative bits.

    The answer I think is right lies with the princess of the night. When the sisters shared the power strong it seemed nothing would go wrong, that is until envy grew, hate and darkness it did brew, until the fateful day to no ones boon, Luna banished to the moon. That caused a rift in harmony and made the powers weaker, see if their love kept it strong then Nightmare Moon turned it wrong. Only when the ponies six came together, troubles fixed and with their friendship we can see they now live in harmony.

    Of course this is just a theory, only as strong as memory.
     
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    From my understanding Celestia and Luna used the Elements of Harmony, but as Luna changed into Nightmare Moon their bonds with the elements began to fade as the two of them started fighting. I want to say Celestia explained this part in S2E1 after discord broke free, I'm not 100% certain on that though.

    As for my head cannon: Then with Luna banished the power of the elements faded and the bonds holding those banished began to fade allowing them to break free.
    -The discord between the CMC at the beginning helped strengthen Discords power and with the weakening spell that turned him to stone he was able to break free.
    -Celestia wasn't able to change Nightmare Moon back to Luna because she only half half of the power of the Elements of Harmony and that power had already begun to fade.
    -King Sombra was the last to be released because the magic had to fade on its own since it was the entire Crystal Kingdom that was sealed away and no one knew where it was.

    Then when Celestia saw the raw magical power that was held within Twilight she saw a chance to return the power of the Elements of Harmony to the world. She trained Twilight personally knowing that the spells cast banished great evil would eventually fade and they would return to spread chaos across the land. Again most of this is head cannon but it seems logical to me although it is all based on something I think I remember hearing in one episode.
     
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    That's actually really clever. hmm
     
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    It was never said that Celestia and Luna banished Sombra with The Elements of Harmony.
     
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    I thought they did. you sure?
     
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    well you are the subject matter expert. I'll reword it later ha
     
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    I just watched the beginning of s3e1 again and can verify that they didn't specifically say the elements were used to banish Sombra. I didn't ever here them say that t was Celestia and Luna who did it, it was strongly implied that they did by the images though (or some other alicorns with light and dark magic). So pretty much how he was banished is still up in the air.

    Also I missed answering part of your original post. I haven't put too much thought into what will happen to the remainder of the mane 6, personally I think it would be an interesting concept if the elements were capable of prolonging their life until they became out of balance with harmony. Although I really hope that the creators of the show don't go in the direction of "You're an alicorn, you're an alicorn, EVERY PONY is an alicorn!" I could see it getting incredibly old fast in addition to it being against what Lauren Faust wanted.

    In a way they could use Twilight outliving the others as an introduction to creating a new mane 6 with Twilight in Celestia's place, but at the same time they would have to be careful of the lesson learned from this. "Nothing lasts forever." it would be a quite dark lesson for such a bright show if they aren't careful about it.
     
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    now I'm gonna need to stop you right there.
    By words of Megan McCarty (on twitter), Twilight WILL NOT outlive her friends. (now, chance is that a) she won't be an alicorn anymore after season 4, or b) rest of mane 6 will gain immortality)

    now that we've cleared that:
    I think elements of harmony aren't really all mighty powerful. Yes, they do have very strong power, but as shown in example of Discord, their power isn't limitless.
    Well, as Celestia said in episode 2, season 1, she and Luna lost their touch with elements of harmony. That could mean that once you "require" power of elements of harmony, you can have their power only for limited time. Now it's mane 6's turn, but if we follow what happened with Celestia and Luna (except the whole moon thing), there's chance that mane 6 won't be able to use elements of harmony anymore, and that some new mane 6 will come on their place.

    Now interesting theory comes to my mind. Luna and Celestia were controlling all of elements of harmony, meaning it was split on 3 elements each. So that means you don't necessary need 6 ponies.
    Now, looking into distant future, we all know that sooner or later, G4 will end. But what we do know is that some of characters that appear in G4 are from previous generations.
    It's easy to say that G5 will exist, and there's chance that G5 would be where CMC's would be main characters (as grownups), and they could take over elements of harmony (and current mane 6 would be secondary characters).
     
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    First of all it's good to see a pony that thinks logically. If you recall my previous post you would find that it does host a link to the very quote of the tweet that Megan McCarthy wrote.

    Next I have two points to sow; It is a fact we do not know how elements of the past were used, if they were split or they were fused. I put it up as a thought that the all the elements were not split apart, no I throw out here that the elements were both shared. Think back then and would you find was Luna any less kind? Look upon the royalty, does one show lack of loyalty? It's my belief the elements change and suit themselves to re-arrange and imprint onto ponies who they feel show their elements true.

    The second seed I have to plant is that I simply can't imagine that Hasbro would do what Lauren Faust could. If they make a gen 5 show, do you think they'd take the lengths to go and continue in the same thread instead of put the series to bed? You mention that they bring back characters, true, but do their characters always match who their characters were before? Rainbow Dash loving fashion or the silly pony being Applejack? Personally I think that's wack.
     

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