Can we be expected use debate correctly on the site?
Published by Virgilpony in the blog Virgilpony's blog. Views: 351
There have been some makings of a debate forum or subforum here on EPR. Maybe this is a thing that can be done. Perhaps not. The body of evidence collected thus far through my observations of debate flow are discouraging. So, here are my two cents on the subject of why a debate subforum is pointless for EPR.
1. We're an internet forum.
Honestly the problem is right here in our equal access to the thread. Unless by some code magick, we limit debates between two people can be muddied, escalated and derailed by other users. That's not a strike against you guys personally. Debates have structure and are moderated by some form of access restriction. Either in the form of debaters being isolated before the performance or being limited in numbers present. Since all of us have the ability to descend on a topic with equal voracity, no -REAL- debate is possible.
2. Nobody understands the format.
There has, up until now, been nothing but well meaning starts followed by a flood of verbal angst followed by a lock. This inflicts, at best a load of butt-hurt and at worst engenders grudges and our friend 'hatred' for those other ponies who just don't 'get it.' This is all because no one wants to use proper debate structure. You're all children of the age, much like myself, and can find all the debate structures on Wikipedia.org. You're free to choose one applicable and then run with it. The fact that we aren't doing that means we don't have the necessary muster in us to pursue true debate.
3. We're not debating, we're opinion-having.
This isn't really anybody's fault but our parents and culture. It started in the early 19th century but has recently become a real farce-to-be-reckoned with. All it says, all it's used to say, is that everything is relative. There is nothing certain and people are entitled to their own opinions and must be respected. The problem is that debate is attempting to discover what has the highest preponderance of evidence and who is more right than whom. It's more like legal proceedings and as such must be born out by the rigors of debate in terms of evidence. You have a right to your opinion but you don't have a right to your own facts.
4. There is no accountability.
This is the internet. We're a bunch of user names on a forum where people can look at what we say and never have it attributed to us. We're free to do and say anything we please until it gets us banned or reprimanded. In fact, there is so much going on in just our little neck of the woods, one person's actions can go unnoticed by 90% of the other forums users. Cruel people go unpunished, good people go unrewarded. Without moderation from beginning to end, the process breaks down by nature and nobody is going to jump at getting that job.
5. No one really cares.
Again, this is the internet. Know what people care about on the internet? Nothing. We care about making rent on time. We care about getting to work on time and not getting fired. We care about getting good grades, having money for gas, whether the kids are alright, what time it is and what we're going to have to eat. Stuff as small as this gets priority because it can be managed. But the internet? Even just our bounding box portion of it is so much larger and complex that our brains just shut it off. TL/DR, you just think that because you're a f****t, can't we all just get along, etc. It's easier to put water on the fire than to tend and maintain it. A thresh hold of -give-a-damn- has to be reached in order for anything meaningful to happen and that threshold isn't possible on the internet except in certain sections, the ones you have to pay to be a part of.
Right, well, there you have it. This is why it won't work. Now, as opposed to what usually happens when I post, I dare anyone who got this far to do the following:
Post a legitimate example of where an argument of mine is wrong in our forums and I will concede it. Show me an example of all of them that I can't showcase to be false and I will concede this argument.
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