Now this example... no, I don't get it. Are you implying that the Mane6 not being allowed to use Hasbro's IP is like Mane6 buying Hasbro and making a game about MLP or is it like Hasbro buying Mane6 and then making a game about this new IP? Either way, in your example, fans may possibly have good reasons to be "angry" at Nintendo because it was their own decision to not include their own characters. They have no reason to be angry at Mane6 because it was not their decision to abandon pony. That looks like a pretty big difference to me. Maybe I've made myself clearer this time. Ah, so it's my fault that your example didn't make sense to me because apparently abstraction beats accurateness. The more you know... Nah, I'm just mocking those who are quick to completely dismiss the game based on the single fact that it's not about ponies anymore, in spite of it having potentially many of the same qualities of the show they claim to like, just without the ponies themselves. You know, those guys who will constantly say "Why should we even still be interested in this?" every chance they get. Thanks for calling it "butthurt" though. That totally doesn't sound offending at all.
@Bot-chan Yes, you are right, and all that. Sorry for insinuating otherwise. Now let's let these people enjoy/hate this game in peace.
Well, you maybe poking fun of people for that. I'm not personally arguing that myself. There is clear influence from Lauren Faust. That is so obvious that you'd have to be from the stone age to not notice that, or at least not from this century anyway. I will make one least attempt in saying that I'm not trying to say that I boo it strictly due to have no ponies. I say that it's not in my interests due to a lack of it's own original elements outside the characters. Cow and Deers would be interesting too as Legion said but if it can't be done, it can't be done. Comic cannon and all. I will point out again that I am happy that Lauren helped Mane 6, but I can't help but feel it could be a bit more exciting to look at. It just looks a bit too plain and copy paste. Then again the finished product could be better than what is shown now. I just have to say the alpha build is... lackluster at best.
Well, if you simply don't like the game, that's okay, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I'll have to admit though that I still have trouble understanding you point, so please forgive me for asking a few more questions. You say the alpha looks lackluster, but... how exactly? As you said, it's an alpha, and I have seen final releases much, much worse than this. You say there's too much copy-and-paste going on, but what do you mean here? The characters' movesets? Their presumed personalities (that we don't really know anything about yet)? Because everything else - the character designs, the graphics, the music system they are working on - looks pretty new and original to me. Or do you maybe just dislike sequels in general?
It's not really a sequel... And better than bad doesn't mean good. It's still an alpha, so yes, it will be lackluster. Almost every alpha is. Also, yes, the movesets, color schemes, character design, etc. They all clearly mirror Fighting is Magic, though again, probably because it is an alpha. But it would be wrong to say this game is not borrowing very heavily from Fighting is Magic. Just out of curiosity, why are you so against people disliking this game, Bot-chan? You say it's fine for them to have their opinion, but then you question them immediately after as though they might be wrong in holding that opinion.
It is the spiritual sequel to a never released game. What did I tell you? Sequel. Furthermore, it would be quite frankly stupid for them to let all the work they've already put into their previous game go to waste. Not to mention that some game developers made a fortune with that strategy and as long as we don't eventually get ridiculous stuff like "Super Ultra Them's Fighting Herds Third Strike Hyper Arcade Edition plus Alpha Double Upper v6.4", I don't really see the problem here. I'm just curious, that's all. I'm just trying to understand what reasons people could have to completely dismiss a game that's not even out yet. Is that wrong? Why do you insist on insinuating hostility on my part?
I see. So technically, it's not a sequel, but you were speaking in more abstract terms. Hm. Yes, I know. I am not saying they should throw away their old work, I am telling you why it seems copy-paste and/or soulless, however you want to put it, to some. And I am insinuating hostility because you are insinuating that other people need justifications for how they feel about a simple game. I don't think anyone here has 'completely dismissed' the game that isn't out; they have expressed disappointment over the game's alpha. There is a huge distinction there, but you take everything into hyperbole, and almost seem to make it a personal mission to judge whether they are justified or not. That is how it seems to me. I'm not trying to antagonize you, you just seem very aggressive.
Uh, no, it's quite literally a spiritual sequel. Nothing abstract about it. Now you're just contradicting yourself. How can a game the development team may very well have put their hearts and souls into be soulless? Should they not try to create the game they've always wanted to create, just so people won't be able to find remote similarities to a game they never even had a chance to play (excluding leaks)? If that's how you feel even after I've explained myself multiple times, then nothing else I could say will convince you otherwise. Well then, feel free to feel offended for no reason at all.
I would explain what is wrong with this, but it would take too many words, and it's ultimately not really important. I am not contradicting myself. I specifically stated that it seems soulless to some people. Whether it is actually soulless or not is entirely subjective. Do you even read what I write, or just pick and choose which words you want me to have actually said? The developers can work as hard as they possibly could have, and put numberless hours into the game, and it will still seem 'lackluster' or 'soulless' to some. And those people have the right to feel that way, because it's their taste in games, and they're entitled to it. You can disagree with them and say that you believe it is a great piece of art, and that is your taste in games, and you're entitled to it. Each time you 'explain yourself' I grow more and more sure that you're dead-set on imposing your opinion on others, despite your protests that would try to convince me otherwise, because each time you explain yourself it involves a lengthy justification of why your opinion is right and people who disagree with you are wrong. You say you are asking out of curiosity, but after receiving answers you try to cast doubt on whether their explanation holds water. You continue to ask people to explain themselves, long past where curiosity should have accepted what they said as how they felt on the matter. Maybe I'm just being too sensitive, I don't claim to always be right. But if I perpetually doubted myself, I wouldn't get very far, either. So I'm telling you how I feel.
Breaking this down for sanity's sake. I suppose I just have a general dislike, yes. I don't exactly have any problems with the characters specifically. It just doesn't catch my attention in the right ways. Legion said it himself that Alpha builds will be generally lackluster quite commonly. The reason why I bring it's lacklusterness up here is that it's blatantly lackluster with nothing to add appeal. Most alpha builds have something that hold some kinda of appeal to it, a quark that makes it interesting. There is none here. Firstly, I AM actually referring to the move sets. It looks too much like the Fighting is Magic fighting style. There is hardly no flair to make it it's own. The personalities I could careless about if there are hardly any applied. If it's not a factor, then I don't worry about it too much unless the game can benefit from it but doesn't. Here, the character personalities are not my consurn. Secondly, I have no issues with all the major aesthetic stuff too much, a side from the fact that there could be a bit more attention grabbing content. Things that will be most likely tweaked in the full release game. No gripes that can't be fixed here. Lastly, me disliking sequels? That is a insulting assumption. I have plenty of games with sequels. That would be one of the most closed minded things I would ever do to a game in a critical stance and I would never despise a sequel in it's whole unless there was an absolute good reason for it.
See? And that's why I won't even try to explain myself anymore. Oh, and the hostility you claim to get from me? You can bet I felt the same thing coming from you reading your latest replies. After all, despite your claims of you not trying to antagonize me, you have done nothing but. But oh well, I guess this was as detailed an answer as I could have hoped (or am allowed) to get, so whatever, no more questions from me. *shrug* @Poisonous Nightmare Thanks for explaining.
Well, I suppose it was inevitable that we rub each other the wrong way, regardless of our best efforts. The only thing left now is how we deal with it.
I don't get the hate for this game. I get that people are disappointed that it isn't MLP, but it's not like the developers had any say in the matter. I'm just impressed to see a fighting game that's actually something NEW. Seriously, how many fighting games starring four-legged creatures have you seen before?
*resists urge to be a smart ass* I'm not sure this would qualify as new in my opinion, but hey I'm not here to rain on the parade.
Stick with Fighting is Magic: Tribute Edition, guys. Yes, I'm aware that this is supposed to be the spirirtual successor, and I'm also aware of the circumstances involving Mane6 and Hasbro, but as far as I'm concerned, this game has a lot to live up to, and even with Lauren's help, I just don't think it can measure up.
