Physics from a Non-Brony: The Sonic Rainboom unraveled

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  1. LunarShield

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    ehmm, i was stating a way of propulsion that can happen in the near future
     
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    Agreed, although we also know nuclear fission converts a certain part of the mass of an atom into energy. So, typically mass cannot be created or destroyed, except in those specific reactions where we can do just that by transforming mass into energy. You might admit that it seems plausible that if the law of Conservation of Mass can be violated by turning matter into energy, so too could the law of Conservation of Energy be similarly violated if there were a way to convert energy into matter. As a matter of fact, scientists have observed this when they accelerate ordinary particles close to the speed of light and smash them into each other, because afterwards the resultant particles are have more mass than the original particles.

    If only these exceptions could be applied with more tact and skill; we might actually be able to find solutions for the problems you noted.

    No, you weren't. You just used some science words that you thought sounded cool. Titanium alloys and dark matter are real, but even if one could create an alloy of titanium and diamond, it would not be completely indestructible. Plus, dark matter is the phrase scientists use to refer to the fact that we've estimated the total amount of matter in the universe is greater than what we can observe; the rest (most of it, actually) is called "dark matter" because we don't know where it is. So, you just made that part up completely and that was what Ridley was getting at.
     
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    ehhm excuse me science is one of my strong points just not physics, i don't try to sound cool, in fact i'm still in freaking high school . im stronger in astronomy than physics. and it can happen the near future in fact a good many counties are doing research with dark and anti-matter, so get your facts straight
     
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    Right! I was just stating that in an observer's frame of reference, the relativistic "mass" increases proportionally with the energy increase, but if you were moving with the object, the mass has never changed, you wouldn't "feel" any different (not talking about collisions or anything like that). In equations using both types of "mass" I think they use little m or m[sub]0[/sub] to denote rest mass, which is constant, and M for relativistic mass which is noticed at an observer's reference frame....I'm pretty sure that's the gist anyway. It's still a shaky concept to me, I've only been recently studying relativity on my free time so I'm probably inaccurate one way or another. :p

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    i just don't like people thinking i'm retarded when i too the PSAT in 8th grade i had an almost perfect score. Duke University wants me to attend their college, so im not stupid, then Dilly Star thinks i'm try to sound cool!

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    but i have a feeling that the near lightspeed travel is possible, but, lightspeed itself will never be achieved
     
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    That's fantastic but this is hardly 8th grade level stuff...So spouting off inaccuracies doesn't help your case. That's all he was getting at.
     
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    technically this is not 8th grade level all we have to do is invent the correct kind of storage container and engine and such speed will be possible
     
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    Nobody called you retarded and by the way how do we know that you aren't making the stuff about the PSAT and Duke University up?
     
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    There are no indications that any of this will happen in the "near future." I love the idea of space travel as much as the next guy but that's just wishful thinking. The fact that scientists are researching the implications of dark matter and its theoretical effects on space travel does not mean that there will ever be any sort of practical way to use dark matter for space travel; it just means they're trying to learn about dark matter.

    Nah, I pretty much got what you were getting at, but I also find exceptions to the Conservation of Mass and Energy to have fantastically interesting implications in this area of science.

    Nobody said you were stupid, but test scores on standardized exams also don't prove you have knowledge in this specific area. Also, it wasn't so much that I thought you were trying to sound cool as much as you seemed to be trying, over the course of your involvement with this thread, to find any premises that would fit your conclusion(s). That's called "affirming the conclusion" and is a gigantic, facile no-no in logical discussions. Of course, now that you're asserting that Duke University wants you and your 8th grade PSAT scores prove you're smart, I do sort of think you're trying to sound cool.
     
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    You know what this conversation reminds me of?

    [video=youtube;SbzouFaMJU4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbzouFaMJU4[/video]
     
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    Beware, full of facts

    Lol, i guess it is time to actually DESTROY the Rainbow Dash fantards.
    Let's begin.

    Rainbow Dashes top speed & debunkage of Rainbow Dash moving Mach 10

    Death Battle & the Math Brony is irrelevant in many ways, 'cause the Math Brony & Death Battle said Rainbow Dash is Mach 10 FLAT, which is not true obviously:https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/9JAuerk6nYr , we see Rainbow Dash is only Mach 4.8, not Mach 10, she cannot reach the sound barrier when flying normally, the Math Brony was treating the calculation of Rainbow Dashes speed like real life & using graphic evidence to tell Rainbow Dashes speed feats, (which is irrelevant), putting real life & graphic evidence is like relying on Game Mechanics (which is OBVIOUSLY irrelevant).

    Hell, do the Math Brony even know what he is talking about & even know how fast Mach 10 is!?! I guess not, Mach 10 Jets & bullets looks way faster than Rainbow Dash & Rainbow Dash would be over the clouds in 2-4 secs, it is even obvious Death Battle & the Math Brony (sorry i don't know his name) made it up, it was took from the quote "10 secs - flat", into Rainbow Dashes speed, lol. I even calculated it myself, Rainbow Dash isn't even Mach 10, LMAO!
    Rainbow Dash is only sub-sonic speed. Mach 10 thrown at the garbage.

    Also to these that spout out "RAINBOW POWER IS MAGIC, IT MAKES HER SUPA FAST!" & "RAINBOW DASH BROKE THE LIGHT SPECTRUM, YEEEEEES, SHE IS FTL!", answer is: nope - & nope, Rainbow Dash didn't & never will, now, correction, it was a Vapor Cone, was that suprising at all? I don't think so, now, Rainbow Dashes eyes got so moist due to heat going sub-sonic speeds, her eyes started to spill out water & the water evaporating due to heat & the sound barrier trapping the heat caused by speed, the water then evaporates & become sound, it makes more sound & more heat that it becomes a Sonic Boom, (no light speed?)

    Obviously. Also when Rainbow Dash was a philly she've done a rainboom, yeah, the same thing, & Rainbow Dash always struggle to go Mach 4.8, oh, to break you Rainbow Dash fantards knees completely & the Sonic Rainboom is not special & revolutionary, Pinkie Pie stated Rainbow Dashes Sonic Rainboom is a Sonic Boom but with rainbows, but we are not done yet, a real life Sonic Boom is more common to do what Rainbow Dash can cause of the Vapor Cone, hell, rainbows appear when water monicules are heated up & Rainbow Dash doesn't go faster than light, so Rainbow Dash isn't going to break the light barrier, EVER, so "Rainbow Dash breaking the Light Spectrum" & "Rainbow Power" gets thrown into the garbage too.

    Rainbow Dash is slow as ****, she is a turtle to one of our Jets. Lol.
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    Game Theory debunkage & overkill

    Debunkage: http://youtu.be/j1QS9HZsaCE[​IMG]


    Overkill, so you really think Game Theory is correct, wow, still supporting it even though it is officially debunked, here is these facts, i said earlier, Gameplay Mechanics & Plot Devices aren't the way to go, there is alot of reasons we have them in series.

    #1: So the story & plot line can sem interesting & make it more fun/good.

    #2: Gameplay Mechanics/Gimmicks aren't trusted since it is used to balance games, like Sonic being only the speed of sound, not really his top speed since Sonic Team is only trying to make the game playable, & rings are not canonically needed for anything.

    #3: Game Theory just took the first Sonic game & put Sonic Unleashed, also Gimmicks, Gimmicks aren't canon, kids & Game Theory ****ed up there calculation & analysis & Sonic's top speed is unknown.

    #4: Game Theory doesn't even know jack**** about Sonic.

    #5: Game Theory isn't even facts, just a theory. But the theory has been debunked.

    #6: Game Theory forgot/ignored the mentions, Sonic's light speed feats, his light speed dash & light speed attack! They forgot/ignored about everything!

    7: Game Theory needs to do there research before making such a dumb & obviously inaccurate theory.

    Sonic's top speed

    Sonic is a hedgehog that goes the speed of sound & it was stated in Sonic X Episode 1 (Tv Sonic), not game, Tv Sonic isn't even canon nor offical to the games or the comics, lmao, Sega said Game Sonic is only the speed of sound. No, they said Sonic was CLOCKED the speed of sound during gameplay, not he only goes the speed of sound, also Sonic can go light speed in base form, proof:

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    https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/CH783wW4Lfm

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    https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/heEMMNvezBD

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    https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/8jyPCojVE8D

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    https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/ZvoPutBV4gM

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    https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/DSGS42fWc24

    Also there is alot more links i could give you showing the majority knows Sonic canonically goes FTL at base form, even hardcore/big Sonic fans would say he is & Yahoo even says Sonic is light speed at base form, it says it everywhere, now here is some more evidence, Sonic didn't have any time stones so he had to rely on his speed to time travel, (Sonic CD), Sonic outran a black hole for a while in Sonic Colours & Sonic wasn't using his boost! & Sonic Rush, Sonic outran black holes successfully, hell, on Sonic Colours, Omega made calculations from Sonic and remarked that light speed would be exceeded by him, and Sonic replied that light speed is too slow for him ,on Sonic Rush & earlier Sonic games, he even runs though dimensions (like the special stage, Sonic go to the special stage) if he wants to get Chaos Emeralds & Sega deemed the special stage is a dimension, & Sonic has to run fast enough to get there, hell, Sonic outspinned teleportation on Sonic Adventure & outran teleportation on Sonic Generations, Sonic Adventure even shows Sonic CAN go FTL, 1, 2, & DX, with his light speed dash & light speed attack, Sonic can even jog around the planet he asked/mentioned on Sonic Generations, Sonic outran the light speed dash it's self on Sonic Unleashed, Sonic even outran lasers on Sonic Lost Worlds, Sonic doesn't need to rely on rings to the light speed dash nor charge, Tails even said Sonic's speed alone can save time & space on Sonic Generations, when Sonic did a mission for Espio by running around Planet Wisp, Espio remarked that he didn't even see Sonic when he came back (and with Espio running at hypersonic speeds and still being able to see clearly, his ninjutsu, and him being a chameleon in general, Sonic must have gone pretty fast...)-Sonic remarked that he's faster than the Cyan Laser (Lasers go at the speed of light).
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    Rainbow Dash is just WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY - WAAY out of Sonic's league.
     
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    im also a mane 6 fan (yeah i am a fan of all the group)
     
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    first off i would like to point out Luna is my favourite pony, **** Sonic, Rainbow Dash is the fastest
     
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    Guys, chillax. This isn't a popularity contest, nor a comparison of who is faster than whom. Basically, keep calm and be respectful. I'm sure we agree that X fictional character can go fast in some Y fictional universe because the creators deemed it was so. There's really no need for name calling, or any other form of Ad Hominem. Everyone has their own opinion, and it's very unlikely that piles of fact specific to a given fictional universe will convince anyone else of said opinion. Especially since this opinion is purely one of preference.

    TL;DR. Attacking each other: Cease and desist.

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    Can you prove it?
    The other guy used facts to prove that Sonic is faster.
     
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    in fact i can
    first of sonic in order to be faster than rainbow dash would have to use the Chaos Emeralds to become Super Sonic, Rainbow Dash may not be able to do this but she has the Sonic Rainboom
    Second, in order to break the sound barrier more than once, Sonic has to use the Power Ring (GEN 1), whereas Rainbow Dash can do this in her sleep
    Third) Rainbow Dash's top speed without doing the Sonic Rainboom is mach 5+
     
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    We have never seen rainbow dash break the sound barrier twice.Can you prove that Rainbow has a speed of mach 5+?also,don't say that Rainbow is faster then Sonic is fact that proves that Rainbow is faster then Sonic.
     
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    sonic cannoicaly is faster than light, he outruned for 35 seconds a black hole (sonic colours), he traveled through time (sonic cd), the sonic rainboom is just a sonic boom witha a rainbow you know, even pinkie pie did say that, the rings are a gimmick, they are not cannonic
     
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    The sonic rainboom is mach 10 plus
     
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