R34 and Cloppers Should be Love and Tolerated

I fail to see how pornographic imagery does not constitute art, except for reasons of morality, which, as you are trying to objectify, are mildly irrelevant.

And yes, there ARE no "universal" morals.

 

Oooh! Thread debate! *gets popcorn*

EDIT: Let me post something contributive

I have to agree with Dan here, just because you do not like a certain kind of art, does not mean that it's not art. Just because it's considered smut, porn, or whatever you want to call it, it's still art, which somebody took their time to create and upload to the community. It's the old cliche, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

 

Personally I think R34 is just as much art as anything else I've seen out of this fandom. That doesn't necessarily mean that I enjoy it, but I do think it still constitutes as art.

 

Can't argue with the burninator.

 

So no matter what talent an artist has if it's porn, it's no longer art. What do you called modern art then. You know the pictures with one straight black line. That's not art, it's a line.

You seems dead set on labeling me a clopper because I like slugbox's style.

What do I like about his style. This will be fun

First the mane and tails.

Then are done in a good looking manner. The way he takes the show style and gives it more realish look. The use of the colors and shadows are amazing.

The body.

I love the way he makes the bodies longer and more slender then other artist. I prefer this it makes the ponies look my intresting. SmittyG is also a fan of this and applied it to his drawing, just like I did with my platinum picture.

The eyes.

Then always capture my attention. The colors are once again amazing and I love the shape. It's not the shows oval shape.

The highlights

A lot of people don't like this about his art, but I find it makes the drawings pop, gives them that little extra boost.



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Lol'd because relevant.

 

^Saikyo, you so witty

 

Does my post win then?

Still slug is amazing.

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Congratulations on taking a seat at the big-boys table DanSze! Now we get to talk like real men and smoke Cigars like the olden times! After all, universal morality is a false notion invented by appologists to make atheists scratch their heads and roll their eyes into the backs of their skulls. Morality itself, however, is not the angle I'm hitting this from.

Think about what erotism is. Think of the sexual act itself. Under normal circumstances, it's two people bumping and grinding for mutual pleasure. What is seldom implied is that it's also a -private- act between those two people. Maybe a brag, maybe a dirty rumor; ultimately it's something kept behind closed doors and expressed/discussed with no one. When you tape it, or illustrate it or show it in any other way, it looses it's expressive qualities and becomes exhibitionism. It is basile because even our most recent ancestors do it. Some perform for others to watch, still more even exhibit fetishistic activities. It's such a 'monkey thing!' Tell you what chimpanzees and bonobos can't do: they can't paint a piece of art that exhibits and evokes the nature of suffering in man or perfectly captures the power of love in the abstract.

 

Seems like virgil is on a bit of a moral high horse.

I must agree with pixel. If an artist is good, he's good regardless of the content he draws. I can't tell you how many hentai artists I've come across that blew me away. This is the same thing.

Edit: On second thought, in light of Virgil's latest post, I can honestly say I have no idea what the hay he's talking about anymore.

Troll?

 

I'm going to be watching this thread.
While I expect you all will keep this civil, I would just like to take a moment and remind guys to keep this peaceful.
Everyone has their own opinion, even if it's not the same as yours. Opinions are exactly that, opinions, nobody is right, nobody is wrong.

 

Yeah, to me it just sounds like a mishmash of words about person opinions of morality sex and porn. What does you latest post even have to do with art, Virgil?

 

It's good to see we're on the same page with the snide remarks and underhanded insults. Your eloquence in such matters never ceases to amaze me.

Despite your choice selection of words, you have forgotten the most important of them all : "Intimacy." The act of lovemaking is not described as private, although it can be. It is INTIMATE. Yes, hardcore pornography is often NOT about intimate love. However, that does not hold true for all examples. Obviously, I can not provide them over any means of communication we can reasonably achieve, but art which is pornographic in nature does not necessarily lack emotions to be conveyed. After all, is not a non-sexual scene of intimacy emotional, and does it not "capture the power of love in the abstract"? What if the artist decided that there should be less clothing. Does that change the essence of the work? No. It does not.

Besides that, I think it's important to mention that in this context, r34 does not necessarily imply sexual activity. If anything, it is used as a word to say that it contains nudity. Thus, however silly you may think it is, artistic nudes DO fall under r34 in the case of pony fandom. You may think this point is moot, since ponies do not wear clothes, but I do assume we are including humanized art as part of this discussion.

 

Seeing as my post about slug's style was passedby can I assume my points were vaild.

I'm not sure why you continue virgil. It's been said " if you don't like it don't look at it or search for it"

Also turn on safe search. Then the chance of R34 coming up is slim.

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As such, given the statement that all opinions
Expressed are neither right, nor wrong, we can
Derive the following.

Given that we allow A to represent a boolean value
Of an opinion being right and B to do such for an
Opinion bong wrong, we know then that:
A = !B (A equals not B)
But given that nobody is right, then
The value of a is false for everyone, and be must equal
Not A, and therefore is true.
However, since nobody is wrong, that must mean B is
False for everyone, and thus A must be true.
Therefore, so far we have derived that at all times,
There are two values for each variable that evaluate as true, and two that evaluate as false.
As such, it is safe to say, that all opinion made are both
Right and wrong at the same time within this thread.

With all that set down,
This is now Schrödinger's Thread;
Every opinion expressed within it being both right and wrong,
Because of the uncertainty of the condition of
The statements being argued.
Thus,
A definitive true or false answer may only be found
Once we decide to open the thread up,
And figure out how we're going to judge something as
Right or wrong.


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I never said virgil was wrong, I never said I was right. We are all people, we all think in diffirent ways. I was just stating counter points to his arguments.

I still believe that it doesn't matter the content of the art, it still takes talent. I also beileve that art is more then talent. It's the time and effort you put in that makes the artist.

Slugbox is still a big influence to me, doesn't matter if he draw clop, his book series or dinosaurs. As long as he stays the same artist with the same attitude.

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Actually Pixel, I was waiting for my buss to hit the house but now that I am home, lets get comfy.

First of all, no need to play the offense card. Nobody's trying to put anyone in a box and look in from outside. We're all here together, having this problem. As you can see, I didn't start this thread, but if I can I will finish it. What keeps getting me in a bent is this useless rationalization of yours that says content is not the issue, but rather the execution. Honestly, you would have friends in the art world. The word you're looking for is postmodernism which has left our society with so many problems to tidy up, we'll be at it for quite some time (See also Cultural Relativism) The problem here is that Slug has been -VERY- honest about what his art is for and has gone to great lengths to show that nothing is off limits. Tell me, is there anyone else you know of whose doing the same thing with the same skill? There have to be a hundreds of people doing it across the internet and there have to be at least 100 of them on deviant. I don't have the convenience of a viable example (yet) so for now all we can talk about is his work in terms of his execution. I've got to ask, must Cteno be wearing that thong? Why couldn't it be hip huggers or something else known for being something -other- than exciting and provocative? The choices he makes in his execution give us all the proof we need to know he's just out for a wank. And while there's nothing wrong with that, why post it? Why show that to -US- What kind of product is he selling for our consumption?

 

Oh DanSze, you can dish it out all day but when it gets thrown back at you you huff and puff at how people can be so mean. I've looked through your last two days of comments and found, to no ones surprise, a complete lack of worthwhile comments and lulz posts. Hitch up your pants dude. And as for your tripe above, this is nudity that also contains meaning:



Nude. Bare. Work of art. Now get out there and find me one thing -ONE THING- that one of your R34 guys has -EVER- done that compares and I will self exile for the week.

No Mike. We're doing this now...right now and we're going to get it out of our system or I'm going to stop doing art for the site or stop caring or something but I am not going to agree to disagree.