Speak whats in your mind

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  1. UnityOfFactors

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    You can't simply trust someone when they are asked if they have a hinderance or a mental disability. Society has made it a stigma it shun all that aren't normal. And even when people say that they are proud to not conform then still conform in some ways. An example is a Punk Rock kid exclaiming that the kid next to him "Isn't Punk Enough". Another thing people do is if a term or label is not something they wish to use for themselves (Even if the term/label fits perfectly) they will deny it or try to distract from the conservation. The example I made last is a perfect one Go up to a person who drinks there life away and ask them if they are an alcoholic you will get two answers. One "***k You, I can quit anytime I want! You are just jealous of my ability to handle this much booze" Or "You are pathetic, just because you can't drink you think all people who do are Drunks, you make me sick". You can get even more subtle s=responces but they all are either Fight or Belittle.

    So when I say you can't trust someone on those questions is because they are likely lieing to themselves as well.
     
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    Maple Natural producer of maple syrup~

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    So, do you think I'm lying to myself? Is that what you're getting at??
     
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    UnityOfFactors High Lord Flerberger

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    Maybe, As I said. You can never trust someone on words alone.
     
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    Maple Natural producer of maple syrup~

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    Well, I'm not a person who lies. I have no reason to. I couldn't care less if someone doesn't believe me. I know what the truth is.
     
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    UnityOfFactors High Lord Flerberger

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    if you say so, but to be fair. You are proving my point.
     
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    Maple Natural producer of maple syrup~

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    How?

    Plus, this is the internet. All you're going to see is words.
     
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    I don't see why being a sociopath is a bad thing.
    It's considerably better than having your life ruled by emotions.

    In the end, how a person feels doesn't matter.
    The world, as a whole, could not care less about your feelings.
    All that matters is what you do.
     
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    Maple Natural producer of maple syrup~

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    It's kinda sad, but true.
     
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    For the very least, sociopathy is a considerably lesser evil than psychopathy. Still, the whole "people suck, trust no one at all" approach to life isn't exactly productive to forming meaningful connections with others. As A-holish as this might be to say, those who are devoid of friends/a romantic partner as a result of their own antisocial behavior kind of deserve the lonely position they're in. Things may fall into some people's laps in life, but for most of us, it is basically required that we actively seek to form bonds with others on our own initiative, else doom ourselves to sitting in a dark room in front of a computer screen every evening with nothing but a bag of Cheetos and a can of Coke for company.

    ...Which, hey, if one is perfectly satisfied in that position, more power to 'em. I'm not one to judge.
     
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    Maple Natural producer of maple syrup~

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    It's more complicated than that. Some people have social anxiety, and just do not do well in social situations. It isn't their fault.
     
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    UnityOfFactors High Lord Flerberger

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    Just because has a disability doesn't mean they should use it as an excuse to never better themselves.

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    There are two things you need to realize:
    -Being a psychopath does not necessarily make a person evil. This article explains it quite well. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-pros-to-being-a-psychopath-96723962/?no-ist

    -Being alone and being lonely are two completely different things.
    Some people prefer to be by themselves, and not rely on others for their happiness.
    Loneliness is more of a mental state. People can feel lonely even when they're surrounded by friends and family.
     
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    Maple Natural producer of maple syrup~

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    No one said that it should be used as an excuse. It can certainly be worked on, but it's easier said than done.
     
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    Do you really believe that a person changing who they are to conform to societal expectations is "bettering" themselves?
     
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    Right??

    I remember in my early school days, I would try to comply to the expectations of the other classmates just so I could fit in. Long story short, pretending to be someone you're not is not the way to go. This actually triggered a mental breakdown in me. Well that along with a tower of other things...
     
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    You should realize that the term "lesser of two evils" doesn't always denote the conviction that one is actually evil, simply that one option is less negative than the other. In context, it should've been fairly clear that I meant the latter. But I would like to point out that psychopathy is often characterized by manipulative behavior (an indisputably negative quality that I personally believe should never be pardoned under any circumstance) and a lack of empathy; a fundamental inability to fathom how other people feel, which is often directly responsible for the lack of better judgment found in those who do commit acts of evil.

    As for the being lonely vs. being alone part, I think I touched upon that (if only vaguely) when I said "more power to" the folks who are actually okay with being alone. My words strictly apply to those who wish they weren't alone, but are only alone because they lack the drive to step out of the safety of their comfort zone. If we're to talk of people who're lonely in spite of being surrounded by friends and family, well, that's an entirely different ballgame altogether.
     
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    I wouldn't consider conformity personal betterment, but someone who uses a disabilty as an excuse for there behavior is just idiotic. Example: the kid who knows he can pretend to not pay attention in class because he has ADHD or the person who breaks there leg 10 years ago and is now living on SSI

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    I can understand where you're coming from on that point.
    I have Aspergers.
    I'm also perfectly capable of functioning in society.
    I know right from wrong.
    I know to deal with people.

    It gets really annoying when I see people using an Aspergers diagnosis as a crutch.

    As for your friend on SSI, I don't know the whole story, but I do know that sometimes a broken bone can lead to serious and permanent complications.
     
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    On the subject of being alone, I simply prefer solitude as it's a much more peaceful way to go about life. I hate loud noises, so I don't like being around lots of chattering people. (This is why I dislike parties) I'm very picky about my personal bubble, and don't like to be within close range of other sentient meatbags. But most of all, I CANNOT STAND the drama that comes with being around lots of people.

    I believe I'm better off with a small group of good friends, and my family. I definitely want a minimal amount of people in my life. It's too much of a hassle to deal with, man.

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    Also, here's a thing. If anyone tries to kill a spider or other small creature around me, I will not hesitate to punch them in the face.
     
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    Both examples were things i did as a kid. As for Autism, I understand as much as i can. My cousin has high-functioning autism and i have high anxiety and an alphabet soup of things i can understand the need to seclude. But most don't use it as an excuse. I did and then grew up. And learned that i can be myself without having to use my disability as an excuse for my human flaws

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