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  1. Fenris Rose

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    The government is supposed to collect taxes to provide for the common good.
    As in, things that are good for everyone. Infrastructure.
    Roads, emergency services, public education, that sort of thing.

    Taking a chunk of my paycheck and handing it to some lazy mother*squee!*er isn't providing for the common good.
     
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    Have the idea that the person who receive said chunk of your paycheck isn't a lazy mother*squee!*er never crossed your mind?
     
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    Maybe not all, but way too many.

    I once saw a woman buy a hundred dollars worth of steak and pay for it with food stamps.
    I remember it clearly, because it was right before payday and I was trying to make sure I'd have enough left after groceries to pay my electric bill.

    But hey, it sure was nice to see that to see that fat sow suckling at the government teat.
    Made me really glad that I worked so hard to pay the taxes that bought her that steak.

    That, right there, is why I hate socialism. Because it's just another word for welfare.
     
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    So what? Just because she made the choose to waste almost an entire month worth of food stamps on steak doesn't mean that the majority of people do.
     
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    She's not the only one.
    All of the big welfare programs - WIC, TANF, HUD, LIEAP, etc... they're all full of people who abuse the system.
    Three girls that I went to high school with planned to get pregnant after graduation and live on government assistance.
    Even my own brother has abused the system in disgusting ways.

    Welfare in the US is a broken system, because somewhere along the line Americans decided that they didn't have to pull their weight! Somebody else would do it for them!
    And if anybody doesn't like it, then they're the bad guy!
    Quick! He's calling us lazy! Let's call him racist/sexist/classist!
     
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    Ok, please give me some reputable citations and examples of plans to directly take a chunk of your paycheck and handing it to someone else. I really don't see some tax man breaking down your door, strong arming you out of your money, and directly giving it to some unemployed person as part of any socialist plan. The common good for ALL does include poor people, not just those people you make like or think deserve it.

    And about the infrastructure thing, the Socialist Democrat running has stated his plans for infrastructure, I'll leave the links below. So yeah, lots of plans for everyone...
    http://www.masstransitmag.com/press...ntial-candidates-on-infrastructure-investment - Tied for the best ranking.
    https://ourfuture.org/20151201/clinton-vs-sanders-infrastructure-plans - More in depth about the democrats plans.
     
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    Have some stats and facts. Anecdotes may be more personal, but they are skewed and never show the total picture.
    http://www.cheatsheet.com/personal-...stats-about-public-assistance.html/?a=viewall
    http://groundswell.org/7-lies-about-welfare-that-many-people-believe-are-fact/
    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/6-myths-welfare-recipients-debunked/

    The short of it, those type of people you mentioned are a very tiny minority of the people that these programs help. You live with acceptable loss in these programs, if a huge majority of the money is actually helping people in need (and it is), is it worth it to stop just to spite the very, very few who abuse it?
     
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    "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for life."
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    I don't support any program that hands people money that they didn't earn.
    I can't, in good conscience, support any program like that.
    This is because I know that the money that pays for these programs comes from people who have their own families to support, and earned that money by the sweat of their brow.
    What a man earns, what a man builds, what a man creates... is his, not the government's.
    To take what doesn't belong to you, even for an ostensibly noble cause, is theft.
     
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    Those programs do help people, whether you accept it or not. Also, Bioshock is a warning against what you are proclaiming, not a goal to achieve...
    /Would you kindly?
     
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    Pot to kettle you are Black over.

    The programs need to be bloody audited. Not everyone one them need to be one them. That's a comment not for or against them. It's a comment saying that in they're current state they are the subject of far too much abuse.
     
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    What I refuse to accept are opinions that contradict my own morality.
    I understand what you're saying, I just disagree with you.
     
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    So we should let kids starve because their parents aren't able to find a job then?
     
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    That's why charities and private food banks exist.
    I'm not against helping the needy, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna fund the lazy.
     
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    I agree with Ridley on this. I'm all for helping the people that actually need help, but nowadays, many of the people needing help aren't getting it because the lazy people are taking all the benefits that the 'needing' people deserve. It's also very hard to tell the difference between a fake 'needing' person and a real person needing help.
     
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    Obama has *squee!*ing done it. No matter who gets elected he gets a *squee!*ing third term.
     
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    Or G.W. Bush gets a fifth term, as Obama hasn't been any fundamentally different from him. I'll just wait for time to progress; the two party system continues to be discredited (both Trump and Hillary are widely distrusted).
     
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    How about veterans who can't work and earn this money, huh? Are you saying that veterans shouldn't get the benefits, they fought and were injured for? I just ask. No need to be hostile.
     
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    I think the point that Ridley is trying to make is still going a bit over people's heads. Military Veterans are in the category of those who worked for the pay they'll get once they cannot fight anymore and are retired. Injured or nor. The issue with charitable programs is what both Ridley and Lyi laid out. There are too many who try to be a charitable organization and due to the saturation, false organizations that scam people out of their hard earned money can be formed. Discerning which is true and which is false is blurred. If you can tell it's legitimate, by all means donate. However, if there is some reason you feel it maybe iffy or you can tell it maybe a BS attempt at getting your money by moving you with images, then don't bother donating. There is a level of cynicalness you need to have to see through the BS and not everyone is capable of doing that. In otherwords, have the common sense to know when people are trying to crowbar money out of you.
     
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    Veterans' benefits are like social security.
    You pay into the system (taxes for SS, service for military), and then the money is there when you need it.
    That's not the same thing as a welfare program.
     
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    *sighs*

    Welp... only one thing left to do now...

    *goes to prepare for World War III and/or Civil War II*

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