Trump wins. Now what?

Fair enough, I'm happy to see us not turning to blows on the issue.

I think the protests are half justified. Obviously, the damage caused and vandalism should never be allowed, but exercising the right to protest and march is admirable. Trump hypocritically
called for such protests last time with Obama, as well as complaining about the electoral college/popular vote.


I've probably heard about the protests a lot less than Americans; I don't seem to see much news about it, except for a couple days after the election results and the current women's marches.
People seem to say that the marches don't matter, or that they don't change anything since he's still the Pres. rather than actually addressing their concerns. I like the idea of them showing "we're all in this together" so to speak.

HOWEVER, I've seen a lot of questionable and silly things to do with the marches, like leaving tons of signs on the side of the road after the march, for others to clean up. As well as people marching, not really knowing why they're doing so and what the message is. An alt-right person getting interviewed getting sucker punched, a trump supporter's hair getting lit on fire. Unnecessary and unreasonable acts, just bringing the legitimacy of the protests and what they represent down.

 

It's unfortunate that "black blocs" and other such groups occasionally show up (there are times when their actions result in the police cracking down on the protests as a whole), but most of the protestors had nothing to do with such actions (it also isn't always possible to prevent hooligan elements from appearing).

I'll lay odds that Trump would have hypocritically called on his followers to protest a "rigged" election if Hillary Clinton ended up winning the elections. His contradictory zig-zags ultimately result from his opportunistic, unprincipled stances.

It cannot be predicted with any certainty how such protest movements will unfold in the future, but they are indicative that there is already heavy opposition (these were some of the largest political protests in US history) to Trump's administration (he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million ballots and was the least popular president-elect in decades). It will be interesting to see a good deal of those who voted for Trump inevitably join such opposition in the future (I posted sources above at an earlier time showing how Trump's policies won't benefit his blue collar support base, and his cabinet picks only reinforce that).

In terms of signs being left behind, the broader context isn't typically being covered. Granted, the tactic of piling signs as a form of protest in itself isn't productive, but given the absence of a lead from the labor movement (it has decayed under decades of liberal leadership that is in bed with the bosses) or a serious, organized lead by those who organized the demonstrations, confused and/or counter-productive elements will inevitably be present. Was punching Richard Spencer productive? No. But that being said, I have zero sympathy for someone who wants to put me in a gas chamber. And let us not forget that Trump had a history of encouraging violence against demonstrators on the campaign trail.

 

LostSanity's 'common sense' post of the day:

There are no such things as 'Alternative Facts' there are only 'facts.' PERIOD.

'Alternative Facts' ARE NOT facts.

 

1984 is now the #1 best selling book on Amazon after the "Alternative Facts" controversy.


It's troubling to see how badly Trump is handling the media facts and embarrassment, as well as how much lying has been going on.
Then there's the laughable voter fraud accusation.

 

http://europe.newsweek.com/trump-emails-rnc-reince-priebus-white-house-server-548191?rm=eu

So they have addresses, but there's no evidence they're still using them or using them in a way that circumvents the law?

Currently, I only see this is liberal media trying to call hypocrisy since Trump went on and on about the Shillary's emails, but this is different, or as far as we know. If there is incriminating evidence from these addresses, then we're talking hypocrisy.
Even as someone fearful of his administration, people calling them out on things like this that aren't actually worthy of crying out about will only de-legitimize the media further.

If there are bad bad letters, that's a no no.


He needs to lose his insecure phone though.

 

For once I agree with you.

 

Sooooo goods from Mexico just got 20% more expensive so the American taxpayer is directly paying for the wall.

I imagine Drumpf supporters, though, will see this as him sticking it to the Mexicans...conveniently forgetting that American companies have factories, farms, etc in Mexico and they will 100% pass that cost to the consumer.

The increase in price might not be 1-to-1 (as in it will be less than 20%), though we won't know for sure because there are too many unknowns right now. That said, some will suffer more than others, particularly, ironically, those in Western border states that rely quite a bit on produce from Mexico. Also, This type of import tax is not only against NAFTA but against the WTO as well. Whether or not anyone has the spine to punish the USA over this, though, well...that is another open question.

I believe this is in addition to the money Congress is fronting to pay for this stupid wall. In one big swoop, Drumpf will waste $20 billion on an ineffective project then raise the cost Mexican imports by 20%.

 

http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/