Star Wars anyone?

Discussion in 'Media' started by jojuja, Apr 6, 2014.

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who shot first?

  1. Han

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  2. Greedo

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  1. Sparkypony

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    Whichever dude shot first didn't have any effect on the plot.
     
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    It has a huge effect on character development.
     
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    By definition, none of these are really "plot-holes" but can leave different interpretations, which is what makes the universe so interesting and not so black and white.

    1. Gonna be honest, I don't quite remember the specific scene you're referring to...been awhile since I've watched them again. But the Rule of Two I would think of as a guiding principle, a self-enforcing rule and like many rules are bound to be broken. When Palpatine killed his master, he followed and sought to replace the rule with his own 'Rule of One' which he declared himself as the permanent Emperor of the Galaxy. Another example was when Dooku wanted to replace the remains of Jedi Order with the Sith Army during the Clone Wars, it would imply he envisioned to throw the rule out entirely once he succeeded. Vader also broke the rule when it was revealed in The Force Unleashed he had a secret apprentice. Those last two of course were basically tacked on to what is officially "canon" but are canonical nonetheless.

    2. It's funny

    3. But did he really die though? Yea we never see him again but it's generally considered canon among the community that he may have escaped. <- Again it's really up to you what you want to consider canon. If you go 100% with the films, then really you can assume either way.

    4. Not really sure what you were getting at by pointing that quote out. But if it's about his "lie" to Luke, at the time it really was a necessary one. He needed to grow and mature before facing a horrible truth for himself rather than just Obi-wan bluntly tell him "Yea your dad is a bad guy, sry." His choice of words could have changed the entire outcome.

    5. This is an interesting point, but it comes to interpretation of what one means when they say they've "always known" something. It could be like an intuition one has but denies it at the time, only to which when the truth is revealed they realize it like they had known all along but were never truly certain up until that point. I tend to think it was more of a realization with hindsight imo. Or maybe she's just a freak lol.
     
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    I love everything Star Wars. Original trilogy, prequels, expanded universe, you name it.

    1. I always thought that was because the Emperor wanted to replace Vader with Luke from the get-go. Vader was supposed to be this awesome Sith of divine prowess, conceived to be perfect through midi-chlorians by Darth Plageus. He ends up being the terminator with limited Sith powers (due to his suit, he can't use regular Sith lightning, which even Darth Tyrannus could do), which is a little disappointing if you wanted someone prodigal to carry on your legacy. I see no problem there.

    2. They mostly defeat them through creativity and trickery, a true underdog (under-ewok?) story. That's not a plot-hole, it's a plot device.

    3. In the expanded universe novels, he survives and goes on to become the Mandalor, succeeding his father.

    4. Again, that's a plot device. This one adds on The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi to what was going to be a one-shot film. Upon seeing how popular the original Star Wars movie was, George Lucas re-released it with some edits and began to make the two sequels. That's just how he explains it, or "canonizes" the sequels.

    5. Yeah, that line bothered me, too. I guess we'll just have to accept it as some sort of mystical force-intuition that Leia wasn't quite in touch with until the moment Luke confronts her about it. You do make a good point there.
     
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    Expanded Universe... I forgot that all of that crap exists.
     
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    A legion of the best stormtroopers is still just a legion of stormtroopers. Just saying. They just don't hit anything better and more closely than normal stormtroopers.

    That brings to mind a joke I once heard - Who would win in a fight: red shirts or stormtroopers?
     
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    The Stormtroopers would miss every shot, and the red shirts would die anyway.
     
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    I take it you've never seen the original Star Wars.
     
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    Greedo never shot in the orgiinal version.

    [video=youtube;xxODU7RK730]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxODU7RK730[/video]
     
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    No actually that's still wrong.
     
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    Han shot first.

    That shot established the character as a cold-blooded, looking-out-for-number-one type of character.

    Changing the scene changed the entire movie.

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    Cold-blooded being the harsh way of looking at it, which I guess is why Lucas made the change, but I saw it as more of a "be quick or be dead" type of spiel. Watch any Western, and you'll see the good guy pretty much has to shoot first.
     
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    Save the "in character" posts for the RP's, m'kay?
    You're breaking the flow of the discussion.
     
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    I liked the version where Han shot first because I thought it looked nicer, and also because it made his support of the Rebel cause throughout the movies that much more moving. You'd expect some nice guy that you just met to help you, not some murdering jerk. Han undergoes a transformation that gives the viewer complex emotions towards his character. Without that little touch, his character is still rascally but not his support of the rebels is not hard to imagine.

    I like complicated characters. I only enjoy writing complicated characters and I only enjoy reading/watching complicated characters.

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    Who the hell chose Greedo?!
     
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    A Trekkie, obviously.
     
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    Well Rhythm Song, ultimately you are wrong, EVERY Starwars fan (Who has seen the sequel(not including the prequel)) knows that Han Solo shot first.
     
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    So anyone here excited for Star Wars Rebels?
     
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    Wait, they are coming out with a new Starwars??? o.o
    (If this is the Disney Starwars then never mind.)
     

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